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Old 02-11-2018, 02:45 AM   #1
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Hello everyone,

I recently acquired this ammo box that has a very unique camo! I am wondering if anyone has any problems with the it, or if this may be war time?

I am far from an expert with ammo cans, however comparing the paint scheme to what I look for in helmets, I took the chance on it. Sadly someone did scratch away at the markings. A real shame.

I dont see enough of these to know, so any help would go a long way!

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It's a normal 1938-39 camo pattern. This model of box would be used for several things apart from carrying ammo: tools for FlaK guns, petrol and oil cans for weapons...I don't think it has any particular relation with Italian front. Nice anyhow. I've got one myself.

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It's a normal 1938-39 camo pattern. This model of box would be used for several things apart from carrying ammo: tools for FlaK guns, petrol and oil cans for weapons...I don't think it has any particular relation with Italian front. Nice anyhow. I've got one myself.

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Hi Carles,

Thanks for your input! If a helmet had this paint scheme it would be considered southern front - so I thought this would be the same for Field Equipment. Thanks for correcting me.

As for the paint, does it look period to you?

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As for the paint, does it look period to you?

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Yep, period, no doubt. I've got the impression these boxes dated 1938 might be related to the 1938 Portuguese contract.

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Yep, period, no doubt. I've got the impression these boxes dated 1938 might be related to the 1938 Portuguese contract.

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Oh great to know! I have secretly been collecting Portuguese and Angolan items so that is interesting to see!

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I don't think it has any particular relation with Italian front.
I have seen dozends of those camoed cans for sale at Batterie Todt museum at Pas de Calais, bought 2 there app. 20 years ago.
So for sure not italy.
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Old 02-11-2018, 08:56 PM   #10
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A common camo pattern found on numerous prewar ammo cans and ammo crates. Some also have a dark brown pattern added as well.
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Thanks guys for the confirmation! I very much appreciate it

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I'm intrigued by the colors on this can. I'm assuming the base color on this can is the dark green shown on the bottom of the can, on the left side of the carry handle under the latch and in the interior. Then there are apparently THREE colors sprayed over the dark green: the light green, a brighter yellow and a darker yellow/tan. This shows best in the first pic with the darker yellow appearing the in the upper left and lower right corners. The pic of the latch end (pic #6) and bottom (pic #4) also both show the darker yellow/tan in the lower left and upper right corners. Looks like the bright yellow and light green were sprayed OVER the darker yellow/tan?

Possibly the can was overpainted in the darker color (Dunkelgelb) per the 1943 regs and then later painted with the brighter yellow and green?

Would love to inspect in in person to see if the darker yellow shows up under the brighter yellow and light green in scratched areas.
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Hi timdp,

The can is in the 3 colour pre war scheme, predominantly 1936,37,38.

39 kit started to be done field grey with an overlay of patches of brown, by 1940 it was going to plain field grey.

The double tins below all seem to be very consistent with a pretty good matt finish, the single cans i've seen seem to be more glossy (steel or aluminium types)

See attached pic of single can i've got. Green, mid brown, and a colour called erdgelb (earth yellow) The dark green is repeated inside the can, both referenced cans are BSW made in 38.
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