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Old 08-02-2019, 08:51 AM   #1
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Default Polizei markings on a SMG - assistance requested

Helping out a friend, so any assistance would be appreciated. This disc is on the right rear stock of a SMG. Are they Polizei?
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:34 AM   #2
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What model SMG Willi? Not a typical police marking or the plate on which the marking was stamped.
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Joe, it is a Bergmann MP35.
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Police usage, but not so much as MP18 and 28 and the MP34ö. More SS than police I think. The KI reminds me of the old KI argument of the marking found on P08s long ago. People couldnt tell whether it was KI of Kl. Ralph Shattuck kept selling it as Kadet Institute. SS use had SS WaA markings. Pehaps a foreign contract?
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Police usage, but not so much as MP18 and 28 and the MP34ö. More SS than police I think. The KI reminds me of the old KI argument of the marking found on P08s long ago. People couldnt tell whether it was KI of Kl. Ralph Shattuck kept selling it as Kadet Institute. SS use had SS WaA markings. Pehaps a foreign contract?
I own a Kl PO 8, and it is definetly an "L" for lager or camp.

The guy who wrote "Lugers at Random" said it was the Kadet Institute, which of course did not exist. Not Ralph Shattuck.
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Did the Germans use “No.” as the abbreviation for number?
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Did the Germans use “No.” as the abbreviation for number?


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Police usage, but not so much as MP18 and 28 and the MP34ö. More SS than police I think. The KI reminds me of the old KI argument of the marking found on P08s long ago. People couldnt tell whether it was KI of Kl. Ralph Shattuck kept selling it as Kadet Institute. SS use had SS WaA markings. Pehaps a foreign contract?

Willi, the police didn't adopt the MP 35 until sometime between 1941 and 1943 according to their weapons manuals. But perhaps it is another country as I wrote. I have a photo (that I am not authorized to post on this forum) dated Sept 1938 of three Sudetendeutsch Freikorps taking target practice with MP35s.



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I own a Kl PO 8, and it is definetly an "L" for lager or camp.

The guy who wrote "Lugers at Random" said it was the Kadet Institute, which of course did not exist. Not Ralph Shattuck.

Gary, you are correct that Keyon first mentioned Kadetten Institute in his 1969 book. John Walther followed with the same explanation in the late 1970s. And Ralph shilled some of them in his for sale lists. I bought one in 1991 and sold it in 2004 to the late Doug Smith. It was Kl. 1933 and a two digit serial number. I was never happy with Konzentrationlager 1933. The marking was discussed ad nauseum in the pages of Auto Mag, the monthly newsletter of the National Automatic Pistol Collectors Association, for decades with no explantion with any evidence direct or circumstantial. That's why I sold mine.
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