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Old 10-19-2017, 06:17 PM   #16
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I'm unaware of any custom made Affenjacke (double breasted), but for sure there were high quality and lighter weight versions of the Viertaschenrock (4 pockets) made by various tailors.

The badges were standard issue, as far as I know. Production never stopped, but they did switch wearing them on the right sleeve to the left. Someone else here probably knows the exact date, but IIRC it was around 1959. Originally only FJ and GJ had unit badges.

No idea about General's ranks at the time but I'm guessing they used the silver bullion "Handgestickte" type like all other officer ranks.

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Old 10-20-2017, 01:48 PM   #17
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The above depicted patches were introduced in 1957. These ovals were worn as branch insignia, not unit insignia by members of all Airborne units (left) and mountain units (right). The ovals were worn on the upper right sleeve. The wear of these insignia was discontinued with the introduction of Division and Brigade unit insignia in 1962 (examples of 1st Airborne Division and 1st Mountain Division patches depicted below). These patches are worn on the upper left sleeve.

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Old 10-23-2017, 08:38 PM   #18
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The above depicted patches were introduced in 1957. These ovals were worn as branch insignia, not unit insignia by members of all Airborne units (left) and mountain units (right). The ovals were worn on the upper right sleeve. The wear of these insignia was discontinued with the introduction of Division and Brigade unit insignia in 1962 (examples of 1st Airborne Division and 1st Mountain Division patches depicted below). These patches are worn on the upper left sleeve.

Most helpful information.

I detect (in the second set of images - 1962 pattern) at least four patches with what appears to be metallic thread used in the edelweiss and edging. Would these be officer-only patches or available for wear by other ranks, as well (on 'best quality' uniforms for parade or walking-out)?

Also, again, could these be privately acquired? I'm not so much asking about the actual uniform garments but, rather, the uniform effekten.

Again, any insights would be most helpful.

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Old 10-24-2017, 07:59 AM   #19
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Nachrichten,

The badges with silver bullion were officers patches. Yes they could be privately purchased and often were for a dress uniform. I have several, on tunics, in my collection.

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Old 10-24-2017, 02:12 PM   #20
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Nachrichten,

The badges with silver bullion were officers patches. Yes they could be privately purchased and often were for a dress uniform. I have several, on tunics, in my collection.

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I second that. Today bullion made patches can be purchased (and theoratical worn) by all ranks at the LHD (former Kleiderkasse) shops. In fact you'll wind them mostly on Officer's and senior NCO's uniforms.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:48 PM   #21
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Thank you for your swift responses (and the information contained therein).

So, again, an old tradition in the German Armed Forces continues, ie. EM's being able to purchase and wear officer-quality insignia on their 'best dress' uniforms.

One last question: Were General officers (assuming such to be affiliated to either FJ or GJ) able to wear gold trim on their branch insignia?

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Old 10-25-2017, 01:06 AM   #22
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Thank you for your swift responses (and the information contained therein).

So, again, an old tradition in the German Armed Forces continues, ie. EM's being able to purchase and wear officer-quality insignia on their 'best dress' uniforms.
Not just that, but also factory made ones in at least one case. A Wachtbatallion jacket produced in the early 2000s (IIRC) had bullion unit and collar badges, as well as bullion Wachtbatallion cuff titles. Rank was not included (it was a special button on type), but the collar cord indicated the uniforms were intended for NCOs. A large number of these were sold as surplus years ago and many wound up in the US. I picked up two at a local Army & Navy shop.

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One last question: Were General officers (assuming such to be affiliated to either FJ or GJ) able to wear gold trim on their branch insignia?
I've never seen a gold unit badge of any type for sale or on a jacket. I have a fairly good sized collection of pictures of Generals' uniforms in service and in collections. I have a couple myself. Many have standard bevo unit badges, some the silver bullion type. I've never seen gold that I can recall.

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Old 10-25-2017, 07:09 AM   #23
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Gentlemen,

Gold insignia was used on General officers tunics of both the Heer and the Luftwaffe. The general in charge of the Panzerlehrbrigade wears a gold wire embroidered cuff band.
Re Nachrichten's comment the continuing practice of senior NCOs wearing officer quality tunics. Here is a picture illustrating issue tunics and officer quality tunics in wear by enlisted men. As well as a General officer.

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Old 10-25-2017, 09:46 PM   #24
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Gentlemen,

Gold insignia was used on General officers tunics of both the Heer and the Luftwaffe. The general in charge of the Panzerlehrbrigade wears a gold wire embroidered cuff band.
I took the question to be specific to the arm badges, but I could be mistaken

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Old 10-27-2017, 12:10 AM   #25
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I took the question to be specific to the arm badges, but I could be mistaken

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No, you are not mistaken.

My question related to the Branch Badges.

So a General Officer would wear a standard 'officer variant', it would seem.

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Gentlemen,

Gold insignia was used on General officers tunics of both the Heer and the Luftwaffe. The general in charge of the Panzerlehrbrigade wears a gold wire embroidered cuff band.
Re Nachrichten's comment the continuing practice of senior NCOs wearing officer quality tunics. Here is a picture illustrating issue tunics and officer quality tunics in wear by enlisted men. As well as a General officer.

Regards,

Gordon
Great photo !!!!!!!!! Tom
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Old 10-27-2017, 05:36 PM   #27
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Hi Nachrichten,

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So a General Officer would wear a standard 'officer variant', it would seem.
Yes, but many Generals wore the "normal" woven variant, without any problems.

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Great thread to read and informative.
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Old 09-02-2018, 12:56 PM   #29
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Great thread!

I have a Bw GJ photo album from 1958 with several hundred photos.
Very rare and never before seen pictures inside.

Has someone ever seen camo knickerbockers?

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Old 09-03-2018, 02:47 PM   #30
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Moin, excellent shots, thanks for sharing!
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