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SS M44 Artillery Tunic - Opinion Needed
Old 12-28-2019, 03:13 PM   #1
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Hey guys...

I got this from a VERY reputable dealer a couple months ago.

It is basically unissued, but ha s some slight wear and mothing. The straps, buttons, and all insignia are 100% legit...and from what I can see, as is the thread and stitch pattern. Personally, I see nothing wrong with it...

however...

I traded it recently, and the collector who got it (and knows a LOT more about this stuff than I do) looked at it today with a fine tooth comb. Though he has had it for a couple of weeks, he finally got it into the sunlight...and said that though everything is 100% LEGIT (material insignias, stitching, stamps, thread, etc.)...he says it is actually a Czech Fake. Says it is the best Czech fake he has ever seen...probably from the '90s.

According to him, looking under some of the seams and folded over cloth, the material appears to be USED. His conclusion is that the material was not new when this jacket was made, but rather, USED material. He says this proves it is a repro, and the Czech guy who made it was a "master", as he hid the used material expertly.

He said you can see this "used material" along the bottom hem (see veeeeeeeeeeeryyyyyyyy last photo in this thread).

Maybe someone else can shed some light?

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Old 12-28-2019, 03:16 PM   #2
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Old 12-28-2019, 03:20 PM   #3
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Old 12-28-2019, 03:23 PM   #4
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Old 12-28-2019, 03:25 PM   #5
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THIS IS THE PHOTO THAT HE SAYS PROVES THIS IS FAKE.

Indicates that this shows it was constructed of "used" material...and therefore is fake.
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Old 12-28-2019, 03:57 PM   #6
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Not really something i would want to own.
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Old 12-28-2019, 03:58 PM   #7
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And why is that?
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Old 12-28-2019, 04:15 PM   #8
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Build from a Coat, with original Insignia. Not a bad Job, but not good enough. Look at the Condition from the Tunic and then on the Condition of the Insignia. Do they look like they are 80 Years there? Not really. And the Construction from the Base M44 is as well off. Who was the so called reputable Dealer?
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Old 12-29-2019, 12:33 AM   #9
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I started to think the same thing from the very first photo, that this heavy weight fabric is probably from a coat. The waist band is the nail in the coffin for me because it looks like the nap wear was already there before this thing was sewn together.
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Old 12-29-2019, 03:05 AM   #10
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2 panels made back ? Is it right ?
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Old 12-29-2019, 05:03 AM   #11
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When I look at the Pictures of this tunic I think that it feels "heavy" and compact.

Take a look at this one (for sale one year ago at Military Antiques Stockholm) I think that this one feels more late war style fabric, not so heavy and with a more genuine feeling.

I know that feelings is not good enough compared with facts - but sometimes I believe in the first impression of a thing.
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Old 12-29-2019, 05:16 AM   #12
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Build from a Coat, with original Insignia. Not a bad Job, but not good enough. Look at the Condition from the Tunic and then on the Condition of the Insignia. Do they look like they are 80 Years there? Not really. And the Construction from the Base M44 is as well off. Who was the so called reputable Dealer?
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When I look at the Pictures of this tunic I think that it feels "heavy" and compact.



Take a look at this one (for sale one year ago at Military Antiques Stockholm) I think that this one feels more late war style fabric, not so heavy and with a more genuine feeling.



I know that feelings is not good enough compared with facts - but sometimes I believe in the first impression of a thing.
Unfortunately this one was almost trashed, burned and executed by a firing squad here on the forum , when it was shown for the first time.










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[QUOTE=zozole;8607188]Unfortunately this one was almost trashed, burned and executed by a firing squad here on the forum , when it was shown for the first time.


I have read the posts and it started seriously where the jacket was commented on but then I do not know what happened to those who started to be unpleasant to each other. But anyway I still think that the jacket from Military Antiques Stockholm is a fine original.
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Old 12-29-2019, 10:32 AM   #15
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Agreed with all points on the wear on the nap. Additionally, though, is it just the photos/mannequin, or is the waistband abnormally tight?
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