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Old 02-18-2020, 04:14 AM   #1
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Default EKII 1914 Austrian trifold band

The cross is is "800" marked on ring and is placed in trifold band.

This type was used by Austro-Hungarian army during ww1.

No one trifold "non combatant" (Nichtkampferband) is known, and all presents in marked place are doubt or fake without photographic evidence.
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Old 02-18-2020, 04:53 PM   #2
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Hello Max,

Nice cross!

Were the ribbons used for the trifold wider than the ribbons on issued crosses? I have some TR trifolds (very good repros IMO) and the ribbons are pretty about 5/16 wider. Just wondering if this is the norm.

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Old 02-18-2020, 10:56 PM   #3
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Hello Max,

Nice cross!

Were the ribbons used for the trifold wider than the ribbons on issued crosses? I have some TR trifolds (very good repros IMO) and the ribbons are pretty about 5/16 wider. Just wondering if this is the norm.

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Yes, the trifold ribbons are 40mm wide compared to roughly 30mm
normal ribbon.
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This trifold band type was used only for WWI to Austro Ungarian Army.

No one evidence showing this use during WWII, is visible on Austrian Veteran photos around '50s and after.

Is my personal opinion, and I spoke with other Italian Austro Ungarian militaria and medals collectors, only the official ranks received EK.
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A little composition...
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Old 02-19-2020, 12:41 PM   #6
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Thanks for the info guys! Great crosses!
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Old 02-20-2020, 04:39 PM   #8
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Hello,

the Iron Cross awarded to austrians, is always interesting to discuss.

Here' we've seen an interesting contribution to this subject.

I would like to add that the triangular ribbon for the "Nichtkämpfer" EK existed and some originals survived.

Here, I would like to add the picture -obverse and reverse- of my two "Austrian" EK; the so-called "Prinzengröße" one, is fitted with a proper, original ribbon.

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Hello,

the Iron Cross awarded to austrians, is always interesting to discuss.

Here' we've seen an interesting contribution to this subject.

I would like to add that the triangular ribbon for the "Nichtkämpfer" EK existed and some originals survived.

Here, I would like to add the picture -obverse and reverse- of my two "Austrian" EK; the so-called "Prinzengröße" one, is fitted with a proper, original ribbon.

All the best,

Enzo (E.L.)
Dear Enzo,
stunning Prinzgrosse and thanks for sharing.

My previous assumption about the "Nichtkämpfer" ribbon was referred to the awarded people by photos.

Myself I have a standard EKII with trifold ribbon, but I can't say surely these crosses were awarded to Austrian civilians or military administrators without a photos or other official reference.

If you have something please let me know.

Thanks a lot for your add my dear friend.
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Old 02-24-2020, 09:49 AM   #10
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(…)No one trifold "non combatant" (Nichtkampferband) is known, and all presents in marked place are doubt or fake without photographic evidence.
Hello Max,

I'm really happy to discuss with you here too!

My post was because I've perhaps misunderstood what was written in your post, opening this thread.

The 2nd Class EK-1914 "am Nichtkämpferband" from my collection, belonged to an Austrian Field Sanitary; the piece was acquired decades ago in South Tyrol. I should search through my old papers, to recover the name of this gentleman, who was also decorated with a Franz Josef Order, the Signum Laudis and the Goldenes Verdienstkreuz mit der Krone; all with war-ribbon, plus other minor awards.

Pity, the k.u.k. Rangliste of the Army and that of the Landwehr from 1918, don't record any foreign decoration and this doesn't help to give a name to those austrian subjects that received the EK for non-combatants.

They should have been few, if compared to the fighting forces and this explains the absence of pictures of this particular version of the EK-II 1914.

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Old 02-24-2020, 01:01 PM   #11
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A triangular non combatant "Nichtkämpfer" ribbon is 40 mm wide as Greg mentioned before. So they made these special for the Austrian/Hungarian market. In my opinion a kind of evidence. There was IMO no futher need to make 40 mm non combatant "Nichtkämpfer" ribbon. Of course I assumed that the ribbon is Original and the triangular is time period made!
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Hello Enzo,
is a very big pleasure to discuss here wiyh you for me too.

I've no dubt about the origin of your "Prinzen Nichtkämpferband"; the question born because my cross below present, IMO, an Austrian trifold hand made by owner but witout evidence it was classified as a German ribbon.

All the best Enzo

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Hello Enzo,
is a very big pleasure to discuss here wiyh you for me too.

I've no dubt about the origin of your "Prinzen Nichtkämpferband"; the question born because my cross below present, IMO, an Austrian trifold hand made by owner but witout evidence it was classified as a German ribbon.

All the best Enzo

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IMO opinion not an Austrian trifold style but more Russian style!
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IMO opinion not an Austrian trifold style but more Russian style!
Or a sloppy Saxon.
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Or a sloppy Saxon.
I agree. My guess would also be Saxon.
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