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Old 09-24-2017, 09:46 AM   #1
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Hi
would like to open a discussion on the bavarian pilot badge published on page 410/411 of Previtera book .
I bought it from Tony Schnurr of kaiserbunker along with another bavarian observer, and a couple of other prussian badges
Not being so expert on this field, I relied on Previtera book comments and the well known experience of the seller (a true gentleman btw).
Tony told me this badge was brought back from Germany to Canada in the 60s
A recent thread brought this variant under a spotlight and a member here told me that he deep researched the variant and now this could be a very well made repro and that several experienced collectors say so.
for the sake of my collecting peace of mind I would like to know what you guys think...as i hate to have (like any of us) questionable items in collection
and would like to see if we can shed some light on this thing.
If you guys need more shots feel free to ask..

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Old 09-24-2017, 09:47 AM   #2
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will also add some shots of the poellath observer I got with this
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Hi Mario!
Busy sunday so far - getting back to the books!
I do not like the observer: thanks to your very good picture of the crown the questionable details (outer rim at 3 o'clock, bubble-like trefoil ornaments on the upper headband and it's rough doughlike background, the lower headband with the beady jewels protruding into the ring-structure) are clearly visible and not seen in other Poellath examples at all. The enamel of the pennant is to dark and not smooth enough, the bow design is different as well.
On the backside the prongs are shorter and the punch has a different lettering. To me the rays seem to have soft edges...and the pin seems to be asymmetrical at the tip.
Either it is a rare example of a style that was produced only for a short time (before or after) the better known specimens have been made or ....
...its a fake.
In Baldes book this type of backplate is listed under "reproductions", the front is very similar on his picture as well...
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...and since I am in the dance will also share the other two badges I got in the group a Juncker observer and another one...just to make sure
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I think the observer is a nice original Juncker.
The Quadrat pilot - well, we might need sharper pictures to detect eventual casting flaws (over the roof of the left building, nose and body of the "Taube", i.e.)
Are there any wheepholes on the backside ? The pin is hilarious (maybe an replacement) ripped from one of these bad cast copies.
If this pin is part of the original setup the whole badge is not good...
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and more details on the non textbook quadrat
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