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Naval Landflyer Prinzensize
Old 10-03-2017, 06:44 AM   #1
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Hello!
After the intense debating of Mario´s and Marko´s imperial flight-badges, I would like to contribute another piece to the discussion:
A prinzen landflyer (actually two of them...), that was part of a group I recently bought. It originates from an "old collection" and might as well have been put together with the other pieces because there was no name connected with the group.
I liked the clasp a lot, especially the "Luftkrieg" and "1.SFA" clasps on the ribbons! (The IC 1st class is a privately purchased AWS made of 925 silver...)
When researching the "Prinzen", I found it in Stephen´s latest book (twice!), classified as "contemporary" and original. Baldes on the other hand lists it as "collectors copy" (five pages prior to his rating of a perfect Quadrat Seaflyer as "fake"...)
When examined in hand it´s a very convincing and detailed piece of jewelery - I´m personally having no issues with it.
Because I want to part from one of them, I would like to have other opinions about these badges:
Who has seen other examples, when and where? What do you think of the time frame they have been built in? Any comments about originality and rareness? Ideas on the value or former prices in auctions etc.?
Every input is highly appreciated - check the pictures as well....

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Old 10-03-2017, 06:47 AM   #2
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Pictures of front and reverse - hard to photograph because of the shiny surface.
The traces of wear are visible at the usual places...
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Old 10-03-2017, 06:50 AM   #3
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Hardware setup - the catch is slightly bent.
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:43 PM   #4
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Hi Hagrid, I had one of these halbgrosse badges a while ago and thought it was a fine badge by the quad maker...... until I found a correct one by this maker. I agree that the detail on yours is good but compare it to the correct quad made piece and you will see a world of difference. It is perhaps even better detail than the full size counterpart ! I assume that both badges you have are the same?
Alas , I cannot post pics but it you pm me your email I will send you pics of my quad made piece , it is a stunning piece. The badges that you have may well be later pieces ,who can tell. The hardware on reverse seems very similar to mine but that is all. Ferg
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:05 PM   #5
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Hi Ferg!
You're right - both badges are the same. Until your post it never occured to me they could be Quadrat pieces...
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:22 PM   #6
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I am not sure they are, would be cautious about them. Ferg
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Old 10-24-2017, 04:56 PM   #7
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Thank you, Ferg, for your contribution to this thread!
Are there any more opinions, experiences, doubts or knowledges about these badges I should know of?
Please let me know, all of you - every input, even a "dislike" is highly appreciated!
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Old 10-24-2017, 05:39 PM   #8
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I like the quality of the badge....the pics you ve postet here are

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Old 10-25-2017, 05:15 AM   #9
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I gave it another try with different lighting and a higher resolution ...
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Old 10-25-2017, 05:18 AM   #10
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...plus the attempt on some macro-shots to show the excellent details.
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Old 10-25-2017, 05:26 AM   #11
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Thanks to a PN of an attentive member there´s another appearance of the badge brought to my attention at

https://www.emedals.com/europe/germa...en-size-g13366

(Although they usually have excellent pictures this type of badge somewhat seems to evade the effort ...)
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.......hope this pictures can help to find some answers..





















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Old 10-25-2017, 12:20 PM   #13
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Whow - amazing shots!
I wish I could depict a 4 x 3 mm structure like the crown shield that way - thank you for the pictures!
Boosted up to that scale I see some blotches I usually would attribute to cast specimens ...
Given the strong magnification I would rather say they could be die flaws as well
(Some of them can be seen on the pictures in the books, although the Pics there are not as good as Walthers...).
What do you guys think?
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Old 10-26-2017, 02:56 PM   #14
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As I said, I think they are dubious pieces . Modern
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Old 10-30-2017, 06:16 AM   #15
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I wish Steven would shed some light on the term "many years ago" that he used in his book, regarding the shots from a "prominent collection" (they already had colour-photos after all ), just to see how modern many years can really be!
Next thing I´ll do would be an XRF spectroscopy to check what these things are made of, fire gilding incl. (Will take another month...)
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