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Unidentified Leather Sling - for a weapon? for equipment? Swiss? German? Bulgarian?
Old 12-08-2017, 12:57 PM   #1
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Can anybody help me to correctly identify this unknown leather strap, please? A friend of mine identified it as a sling for a German MP40, but I am not convinced. I'm not even sure that it's German! Perhaps Swiss? Maybe Eastern European?

In its current configuration, the strap measures 26" (circa 66 centimeters), but it extends out to 41" (circa 105 centimeters). The sliding metal buckle is coated in a glossy black paint (enamel?) The white metal stud is made of aluminum. There is only one marking in the leather underneath: "SP"

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Close-ups of the sliding black buckle...
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Obverse and reverse of the aluminum stud...
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Old 12-08-2017, 02:31 PM   #6
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Not a German WWII MP40 or Kar 98k sling, as far as know. Never seen that kind of buckle.

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Old 12-08-2017, 07:43 PM   #7
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Well, I can say is is not Swiss or Italian. Czech or Polish maybe?
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:28 AM   #8
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The pattern on the leather is typical czechoslovak ( markings also looks czechoslovak ) so IMO looks to be czechoslovak carrying strap ( postwar IMO ).
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:36 AM   #9
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First of all, thank you gentlemen for your replies. Always appreciated!

Secondly, I wanted to share some input from another source: a good Czech friend of mine, with excellent experience with field equipment, says that he does not believe the strap to be Czech, but possibly Polish. The "SP" marking could possibly be an export designation - as in "Spain" (a Polish-made sling for the Spanish Mauser...) Food for thought! Comments welcome.
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Old 12-20-2017, 06:29 PM   #10
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Leather,construction,buckle..all is czech. SP is stamp of controlor from factory.
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First of all, thank you gentlemen for your replies. Always appreciated!

Secondly, I wanted to share some input from another source: a good Czech friend of mine, with excellent experience with field equipment, says that he does not believe the strap to be Czech, but possibly Polish. The "SP" marking could possibly be an export designation - as in "Spain" (a Polish-made sling for the Spanish Mauser...) Food for thought! Comments welcome.

Well, he need to check his knowledge once again ; this sling has typical poswtar cross pattern on leather . For comparision here are postwar czechlovak Y-straps and belt with exact same pattern :
Y-straps - http://sharky-fourbees.blogspot.in/2...in-nagant.html

Belt - https://www.varusteleka.com/en/produ...-surplus/27075
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Old 12-27-2017, 06:27 PM   #12
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This cross pattern is not only postwar. I had pre war Czech army belt with this cross pattern once. It has been found here in crashed FW190 - over 20 years ago - with Luftwaffe belt buckle and pistol holster - Mauser HSc still inside. No pictures, unfortunately, but I am pretty sure, it was exact the same pattern.

And the belt from this thread - our friend Bergflak has many of them. They have been left in Norway by german troops in 1945 and do come from norwegian army depots. He gave some of them years ago - but they are still a mystery. Did ask many Czech friends about it, but no answer.

Maybe a short production run for any new SMG's invented in CZ before the war?
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This cross pattern is not only postwar. I had pre war Czech army belt with this cross pattern once. It has been found here in crashed FW190 - over 20 years ago - with Luftwaffe belt buckle and pistol holster - Mauser HSc still inside. No pictures, unfortunately, but I am pretty sure, it was exact the same pattern.

And the belt from this thread - our friend Bergflak has many of them. They have been left in Norway by german troops in 1945 and do come from norwegian army depots. He gave some of them years ago - but they are still a mystery. Did ask many Czech friends about it, but no answer.

Maybe a short production run for any new SMG's invented in CZ before the war?
In fact,this pattern is Austro Hungarian..in original. But that strap is postwar, style of made and sewing,buckle, alluminium studs...everything is typical for end of 50s.
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