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Old 02-16-2012, 11:37 PM   #16
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Artillery rucksacks have integral shoulder straps and were introduced in February 1940 (H.M. 40, Nr 298) for non-mounted Artillery personnel as a substitute for the A-frame, at this time Artillery soldiers were not issued Y-straps. Sometime probably around late 1943 or 1944 production of the A-frame was halted entirely and a new small rucksack was introduced to replace the A-frame and Tornister. This new small rucksack was similar to the Artillery rucksack but it had hooks for Y-straps, instead of shoulder straps, and it had straps for the Zeltbahn. If it has no shoulder straps it is not an Artillery rucksack regardless of misinformation from collectors and dealers.
could you tell us the source for this interesting info, chris? wartime german info... educated speculation...? thanks! ;^)
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Old 02-17-2012, 05:03 AM   #17
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Also interesting to know is that the Rucksack für Artillerie, (we talk here about the model with straps introduced in 1940 like mentioned by Chris Pittman)
was also used from november 1942 on by all Radfahr Schwadronen, it replaced one of the two issued M 1931 Bekleidungstasche. Test were first carried out by 1./Radfahr-Lehr Abteillung in the autum of 1942, these were positive and the small rucksack was then adopted for all Bicycle Schwadronen.
Source for this is, Austattung de Radf. Schwadronen mit der Rucksack für Artillerie, 21 October 1942. BA-MA RH 11/I/51, 205. And finally addoption was on 5 november 1942.

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Old 02-17-2012, 05:30 AM   #18
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To simplify the individual equipment and baggage, test were carried out in april 1944 with the medium sized Gefechtsrucksack and a small assault backpack both to be hooked on the "heavy" Y-straps or worn together marching order style.
On 30 mai 1944 the test were positive completed in the test school of the Erzatsheer.
"Neuregelung des Rückengepäck", 27 april 1944, BA-MA RH 11/I/51, 116-18.

The name "sturmgepack M 44 is not mentioned but this "system" can surely qualify for this.

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Old 02-17-2012, 05:42 AM   #19
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Two models of the small assault pack,






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Old 02-17-2012, 05:48 AM   #20
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:03 AM   #21
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Thanks Jan !

btw, does somebody know why the germans used so many different ways of describing the equipment and changes ?

We have Heeresmitteilungen, Heeres Verordnungsblätter and now these "orders" of which Jan speaks

Do you have pictures of these orders Jan ??

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jan, your info is, i think, the first time waf has told us the small backpack was meant to 'mount' the larger one, as shown in your pic.
your pic shows simply the use in substitution for the aframe-for, as we all note, its attachment system is the same as the aframe.
we know aframes were designed to fit and fix to standard rucksacks (and tornisters).
but youve helpfully shown how this sturmpack 44 (shorthand name) 'was meant' to fix to the rucksack. or at least how it could be fixed.
we may expect others to quickly update their own data here too!
please, may we see these m44packs rearside?
and also, perhaps this wealth of pamphlets and other documentation that seems the source material for issued kit can be collectively stored on waf for general reference, subject to the generosity and common sense of its owners.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:14 AM   #23
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Tom, no I don't, I found these orders has footnotes in a book on German Kavallerie.


This is the rear of the pack with the sidestraps, the small leather strap can be used to pass the Y-backstrap and it fits also with a Tornister 39 small leather strap like for the A-Rahme.










With a pair of canvas carrying straps made from internal early Bluse suspenders.

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thanks for rear view
interesting button hole thread colour on that web y back strap.
such pics allow us to learn of the rear tab used for securing pack to ystrap back strap.
was anything prescribed to be specifically stored in these little packs? aframe bags i believe had 'strict' contents prescribed in manuals....
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:03 AM   #25
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In this Wochenschau Nr.729, Aug-1944, from 10.03 on the "full marching order" pack system can be seen in use. Inspection and depart to the railway station of a new unit.
Especially on the Obergefreiter turning at 10.11, his helmet is also attached to it.
Some carry only the small assault pack and others the A-Rahme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dihm_...eature=related
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Fantastic thread. Adding a whole new demension to my rucksack collection..
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:09 AM   #27
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see 10.47 into clip for another view of an italian messtin on a landser.
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HI,Jan thanks for your input on this matter,excellent pictures to illustrate the item,really very interesting.This is what's so good about this forum an absolute mine of information.Best regards David.
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the small assault pack used extensively by german mountain troops in antipartisan operations greece & albania-lots of pictures exists
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see 10.47 into clip for another view of an italian messtin on a landser.
Well spotted!

Thanks for this very interesting thread. Interesting to see in a parade so many different rucksacks and ways to carry stuff within the same unit. In early war newsreels you would see troops equipped exactly the same way.

Regards Sonnenwende.

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