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Old 06-26-2002, 03:02 PM   #1
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With all things being equal, what is generally the most sought after German helmet model?

For instance, if you had a choice of a M35 SD Heer, M40 SD Heer or M42 SD Heer, which would you want?

What about WWI helmets? What is preferred, M16 or M18?

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Old 06-26-2002, 03:14 PM   #2
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For me it's the M35 hands down. I consider the M42 somewhat a "last ditch" item.
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Old 06-26-2002, 05:44 PM   #3
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In terms of sheer value and collector desirability: M35 DD, M40SD, M42 SD and then M40/42 no decal. Then there are hybrids like the M35 reissues, with and without a single decal, and DDs that have had the shield removed, or were later models and never had them applied. These are probably on par value-wise w/ the M40 SDs, although the reissues sometimes command a lot because they are sort of interesting. There are of course differences in value between the branches too, which can throw everything off, a WSS M42 is more valuable than a M35 DD Luftwaffe for example. I'm a sucker for any untouched original helmet. One of my favorites is an M42 no decal Heer. Not fancy, but it just screams 'I was there". In terms of quality, I think the M40s are the best. It took the Germans awhile to get helmet manufacturing down. The early M35 brass rivets and aluminum liners were really unsuitable on pieces of combat equipment. So were the shiny finishes. The M40s have tough zinc/clad steel liners, steel rivets and standardized tough combat finishes. The M40s also generally have nice quality leather liners. "standardized" is the word I would use to describe the M40. Quality dropped off a bit w/ the M42, mainly with the leather in the liner, some of which are almost paper-thin.

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Old 06-26-2002, 07:27 PM   #4
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My fav would also be the M-35 .Have you guys ever heard of the M-45 without the vent holes .I was surfing around the other day and seen one .They discribed it as one of the last designs during WW2.I know they made some like that post war but the site indicated M-45.Hasta pronto!
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M40 Heer or Luftwaffe?
Old 06-26-2002, 09:16 PM   #5
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M40 heer and M40 Luftwaffe.

which one is more desirable?


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Old 06-27-2002, 06:02 AM   #6
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Kenneth, the M40 Heer would be considered more desirable just because there are fewer nice examples. Luftwaffe helmets seem to be the most common types for some reason
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thanks Andy!
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Old 06-27-2002, 10:16 AM   #8
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Any comments about WWI helmets?

What is preferred, M16 or M18?
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Old 06-27-2002, 10:41 AM   #9
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I have seen somewhere that the M18s are more scarce than the M16s. I will say that IMO ANY WWI German stahlhelm in good shape is scarce, especially one with the liner and chinstrap completely intact. Usually you just see the shell, or a partial liner in really bad shape. The later ones had steel liner bands, vice the earlier leather. The steel has held up better. Recently on Ebay I was able to get the nicest M17 I'd seen in a long long time. It went for $320, which I thought to be a good price considering the condition. It came from an estate sale in PA, and still had the vets name and mailing address inked into the front liner pad...neat! See the pics in the M17 thread above

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Old 07-10-2002, 01:57 PM   #10
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Please forgive my ignorance but...

What is an M17?

The only helmet reference book I have is the one from Weinand and Goodapple. It is stated in the book that there are M16 and M18 helmets - there is no mention of an M17. I've heard of the M17 before and have wondered what, specifically, is the difference beteewn it and the other two model types.

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Old 07-12-2002, 12:23 PM   #11
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Alot of older reference books make no mention of the M17. Reason being many collectors didn't reconize the M17. Some today still don't. It was merely still a M16 to them.
The M17 has a metal liner band instead of leather as found on the M16. Sometimes the leather pads were different than on the M16.
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