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Old 11-18-2017, 03:11 PM   #1
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Obersturmführer Dollinger's Tiger 213 resieves a replacement for the missing barrel. Note the crooked muzzle brake.
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Old 11-21-2017, 12:37 PM   #2
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Hi Peter,

Great photo! During one of my visits to La Gleize, M. Gregoire (the town historian and former museum curator) explained that he located a Panther barrel buried beneath a farmer's hedge, and persuaded the farmer to sell it to him. This diagram shows how they made a sleeve so the Panther barrel would fit onto the remains of Tiger 213's barrel. There's a chapter on the restoration of 213 in my book, Tigers in the Ardennes.

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Old 11-21-2017, 03:01 PM   #3
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Hi Greg,

I read your book on the 501st SS Heavy Tank Battalion in the Ardennes this year and enjoyed it. Well done.

As a side note, I was watching my son play the new Call of Duty WWII game. In the on-line gaming part (not campaign) there is an Ardennes map, which has a knocked out Tiger II. It is numbered 213! I thought that was pretty good attention to detail from the game maker. Didn't see a 1st SS panzer Corps shield on it though...... , which many didn't have anyway....

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Old 11-24-2017, 09:32 PM   #4
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Hi Paul,

Thanks for the note about the book! My older son is playing the new Call of Duty and described for me the locations in the Ardennes, but I will have to tell him to watch out for Tiger 213!

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I read your book on the 501st SS Heavy Tank Battalion in the Ardennes this year and enjoyed it. Well done.

As a side note, I was watching my son play the new Call of Duty WWII game. In the on-line gaming part (not campaign) there is an Ardennes map, which has a knocked out Tiger II. It is numbered 213! I thought that was pretty good attention to detail from the game maker. Didn't see a 1st SS panzer Corps shield on it though...... , which many didn't have anyway....

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Old 11-27-2017, 03:57 PM   #5
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During one of my visits to La Gleize, M. Gregoire (the town historian and former museum curator) explained that he located a Panther barrel buried beneath a farmer's hedge, and persuaded the farmer to sell it to him.
I ve been told this is where the barrel came from:
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Old 11-28-2017, 10:40 AM   #6
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I ve been told this is where the barrel came from:
Great photo; I have often wondered exactly where that was! I finally found the place where the Panther gun tube is used as a drain pipe.

According to M. Gregoire when I interviewed him several years ago, he found that a Panther gun tube was buried under a farmer's hedge in La Gleize and persuaded the farmer to sell it to him for 1,000 francs. The muzzle brake is said to be from one of Skorzeny's Panzer Brigade 150 disguised Panthers left at Malmedy, though M. Gregoire didn't mention that. Wherever the barrel came from, it has fooled many people into thinking it was a Tiger II barrel!

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Old 11-28-2017, 11:39 AM   #7
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I finally found the place where the Panther gun tube is used as a drain pipe.
Have searched for this in vain... Is it still there?

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According to M. Gregoire when I interviewed him several years ago, he found that a Panther gun tube was buried under a farmer's hedge in La Gleize and persuaded the farmer to sell it to him for 1,000 francs. The muzzle brake is said to be from one of Skorzeny's Panzer Brigade 150 disguised Panthers left at Malmedy, though M. Gregoire didn't mention that. Wherever the barrel came from, it has fooled many people into thinking it was a Tiger II barrel!

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I have been told so by the former owner of the LaGleize museum. I also heard that sometimes Mr. Gregoire told "stories" that are proven wrong...

Anyway, it came for sure from the area and therefore belongs there, and a almost perfect restauration!

Wonder if they wanna change it for a correct 8,8 barrell if they have the chance?
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Old 11-28-2017, 12:58 PM   #8
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Obersturmführer Dollinger's Tiger 213 resieves a replacement for the missing barrel. Note the crooked muzzle brake.
I noticed the twisted muzzle alright when i was looking at it a few weeks ago! My question is,on the back exit door on the turret,what is the hole for?Is it missing a locking mechanism?
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My question is,on the back exit door on the turret,what is the hole for?Is it missing a locking mechanism?
Dont know what the meaning of the normally covered hole is (propably for small arms?), but the big "door" is not an exit door, but the "Rohrwechselklappe" (barrel changing luke).
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Dont know what the meaning of the normally covered hole is (propably for small arms?), but the big "door" is not an exit door, but the "Rohrwechselklappe" (barrel changing luke).
Made some quick reserach - its indeed a pistol port hole. Simular to russian tanks (once had such a plug of an T34), some fotos:
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Made some quick reserach - its indeed a pistol port hole. Simular to russian tanks (once had such a plug of an T34), some fotos:
Better visible at those scale models:
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:09 PM   #12
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Very nice. In the 80’s you could see barrels being used as water pipes around La Gleize by farmers.
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Old 12-01-2017, 12:48 PM   #13
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Have searched for this in vain... Is it still there?
I haven't been there for over 10 years so I don't know; I'll try to find the photos and the notes of the exact location.

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Old 12-03-2017, 06:38 AM   #14
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Gentlemen,

I'm nearly every day in La Gleize as the responsable person for the December44 museum and the Ardennes44 shop.
Of course there are traces of war and the region is superb and didn't change a lot since the war.
But finding barrels and artifacts isn't obvious any more .
The good things which were found and were around, are in our museum, unrestaurated.(www.december44.com)
And of course, in front of the museum, Tiger 213, belonging to the village.
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:09 PM   #15
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Gentlemen,

I'm nearly every day in La Gleize as the responsable person for the December44 museum and the Ardennes44 shop.
Of course there are traces of war and the region is superb and didn't change a lot since the war.
But finding barrels and artifacts isn't obvious any more .
The good things which were found and were around, are in our museum, unrestaurated.(www.december44.com)
And of course, in front of the museum, Tiger 213, belonging to the village.
Be welcome.

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Hi Rudi,

It was great to meet you in late August at the December44 Museum. You may remember me, my name is Michael and I visited the Monday after the Belgium F1 Grand Prix in Spa and arrived about an hour early (9am) before you opened.

Thank you for the warm hospitality and friendly conversation.

Here’s some photos I took while I was there.

Regards,

Michael

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