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Old 07-16-2017, 03:57 PM   #1
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Default Jäger zu Pferde helmet

The second of two from an estate and looks unaltered but not certain. Comments?
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It's a helmet for Prussian Mounted Jager Regiments 8-13. Unfortunately, it was altered... some knucklehead painted the entire outside shell, and inside front and rear visors black.

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I would say it's been repainted black.....I believe it should have a blued type finish, and green paint under the neck flare.....Junckers did make original examples...Bodes
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It's a helmet for Prussian Mounted Jager Regiments 8-13. Unfortunately, it was altered... some knucklehead painted the entire outside shell, and inside front and rear visors black.

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Weird! It has to have been done years ago and they removed all the fittings and rivits to do it!?
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Here's one of mine with steel hardware. All enlisted shells were blackened steel, with green paint under front visor, and black in rear. You can see where black paint has transferred to some of the red-brass trim on yours.

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Old 07-16-2017, 05:22 PM   #8
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Weird! It has to have been done years ago and they removed all the fittings and rivits to do it!?
You could mask off the rivets and trim....The spike and it's base can be removed by just loosening four nuts...In fact I can see what appears to be scuffing, where somebody did just that.....Bodes
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So... what to do? Take it down completely, strip the black paint and reassemble? Or strip it and sell for parts?
I did a quick google and found two more similar that were noted as "old black repaints". Bored doughboys?!
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Here's one of mine with steel hardware. All enlisted shells were blackened steel, with green paint under front visor, and black in rear. You can see where black paint has transferred to some of the red-brass trim on yours.

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Chuck, I had it backwards.....I thought rear flare was green underneath, but it is under the front bill.....Also your lucky to have the proper kokarde...I have the smaller ones on mine....Bodes
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A collector, who had the time and patience to restore it back to its original state would appreciate it being kept together. Because of the repaint the value has diminished significantly. If all you're looking to do is get the most bang for the buck, then I guess parting it out would work best for you.

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You could mask off the rivets and trim....The spike and it's base can be removed by just loosening four nuts...In fact I can see what appears to be scuffing, where somebody did just that.....Bodes
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If it's the Model 1915, I have seen many originals with the smaller kokarden.

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So... what to do? Take it down completely, strip the black paint and reassemble? Or strip it and sell for parts?
I did a quick google and found two more similar that were noted as "old black repaints". Bored doughboys?!
If your able to remove the spike base, try and strip a small area to see what's underneath......If you strike original blackened finish, try and strip the rest......If not, leave as is......Also, if you're apprehensive about stripping or any minor disassembly, leave well enough alone...Bodes
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That's a touch helmet to acquire, and it's very salvageable. If you don't know what you're doing it's best to leave as is instead of taking a chance of ruining it even more. You are not going to increase the value by doing this either... it's still going to be a messed with helmet. There is a collector out there who would love to have this helmet, and it will sell easily, but not at the price one would expect to get for it.

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If it's the Model 1915, I have seen many originals with the smaller kokarden.

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I was thinking they all used the larger ones, but it is 1915 dated...Bodes
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