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Old 05-26-2007, 03:26 AM   #16
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Here are photos of my Bronze badge. What I have noticed on several originals is that there is a small circle on the back of one of the runes. I also like to see the tapered catch.

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Old 05-26-2007, 03:27 AM   #17
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Old 05-26-2007, 07:20 AM   #18
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...very nice and original badge Stan.
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Old 05-26-2007, 07:23 AM   #19
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Another original one.

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Old 05-26-2007, 01:04 PM   #20
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Stan & Oyvind.

Great badges!
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Old 05-26-2007, 04:22 PM   #21
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Very nice badge always liked its simple and cool design - swaz and ss
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Old 08-29-2009, 03:44 PM   #22
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Talking of Germanic Proficiency Runes.........here's a remarkable picture, of a 'Das Reich' NCO, found on a German site...........
This guy is just fooling around – IMO.
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Additional pictures.
This badge is a fake for sure!
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:38 PM   #24
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Here are photos of my Bronze badge. What I have noticed on several originals is that there is a small circle on the back of one of the runes. I also like to see the tapered catch.

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You have an outstanding example of the bronze badge Stan, congratulations.

I noticed a silver version of this badge that sold at auction has the same small circle at the back of the runes. Do you think this is this is just a stamped marking from the manufacturing process or a plug over the hole that allowed the gas to escape when the enamel was applied similar to the hole in the Gold Party Badge? Does it have something to do with the enamel application or do you have another theory. Now you have pointed it out, I have noticed that it is on all of the SS Proficiency badges I have seen,

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Old 08-12-2017, 09:12 PM   #25
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Hi,

highest GL sold in the recent years, hammer price of 8500 euros at HH 68, lot 6327.

This hole is not visible in all the original GLs.
It may be present, but not visible because it is hidden by the sunwheel.

A better picture of the hole.

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Old 08-13-2017, 12:29 AM   #26
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Hi Vince,

Thanks for the close-up of the hole and extra info on that badge, I guess it was super expensive due to it being a silver version with it's silver finish being in excellent condition as opposed to the more common bronze ones. The only other one I have seen sell recently was SS Sturmbannfuhrer Gerhard Bahr's bronze example and I think it also had the hole visible but would probably need better photos to tell for sure.



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Old 08-13-2017, 02:39 AM   #27
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Michael,

Both of my two badges have these holes on both of the runes. I presume the same as you that they were part of the enameling process.

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Old 08-13-2017, 07:05 AM   #28
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That picture is awesome, so many high-end awards on his chest and then the honor roll clasp as well.

William Kramer
My thoughts exactly, but was also thinking, what's a guy gotta do to get a knights cross?! 😅
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Old 08-19-2017, 08:57 PM   #29
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SS Sturmbannfuhrer Gerhard Bahr's bronze example
it is very unlikely (if not ridiculous) to think that a 35-years old SD SS-Sturmbannfüher from the Warthegau will pass the GL physical tests, even for the bronze badge...
You needed to be very a good athlete, this is not surprising that only less than probably 1300 soldiers were awarded. 1300 on hundred of thousand who were enlisted in the Waffen-SS between 1943 and 1945.

There is no proof that the name badly scratched on the reverse of the GL sold by eMedals may be the one of the actual awarded soldier.
"C. E. Bahr" could be the name of the SS soldier, or the name of the GI who "liberated" it.
"C.E." doesn't look very German (maybe Scandinavian ?), but far more US.
If you search in the (US) National WWII Memorial database, there are 120 Bahr listed, most with two forenames.
It should be interesting to read what was really written on the GL, and check the Allied listing of soldiers from WWII.

Note to mention that the writing is hardly visible, and it is "C. E." and not "G." that is said to be written. Excluding the SS-Sturmbannführer.

A SS awarded with the badge would not do a sloppy job like that to "mark" his award (even more an SS-Stubaf !).
More like the work of someone who "liberated" it.

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Old 08-21-2017, 07:23 AM   #30
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Vince, I think that it would still be the badge bearer who would scratch his name on it rather than the Vet. Just my opinion but of course both ways are possible.

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Hi Mil,

I agree, maybe Vince hasn't seen any of the countless Luftwaffe qualification badges with the owners names scratched on in the same manner as this one? I'm still yet to see a badge with the the name of the 'liberating' soldier on it. Why on earth would a 'liberating' soldier even bother putting his name on it? E-medals just made a typo, checking the original seller's or e-medals photo's confirms that the engraving is GH Bahr. I note that Gehard Bahrs file with awards is openly available. I agree with Vince that maybe it is not Sturmbannführer Gehard Bahr's badge but I don't believe the name is faked as it would make absolutely no difference to the value of the badge either way. I also believe that this one is a genuine example and was certainly awarded to someone from the SS- maybe another GH Bahr? Makes no difference to me who owned it as my only interest is in these badges themselves, what is important to me is detecting the fakes and identifying the originals.

As to Vinces claim that a 35 year old could not have been awarded the badge, he could be correct and I agree it does seem unlikely -but just maybe he is doing a disservice to the recipients- I strongly suggest that he reads the excellent research article on the NS Kunst site:

http://www.ns-kunst.com/die-germanis...ficiency-rune/

For example, SS-Hauptsturmführer Wilhelm Wolfrum obtained the badge in silver at 32 years of age and was exempt from some of the physical tests due to previous injury. Either way this article is a super read for anyone interested in this badge.

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