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Old 10-11-2017, 02:26 PM   #1
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Hello, i think the first one (tan) is not okay.
If not okay, it was an issue to the "Esercito italiano" until when? Thanks for help.

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Old 10-12-2017, 01:34 AM   #2
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Till 1980-1990, but some can be found also today.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:09 AM   #3
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Till 1980-1990, but some can be found also today.
Hello, thank you, so it is impossible to date this one?
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:03 PM   #4
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Hello, thank you, so it is impossible to date this one?
I think you will find that most post war Water bottles have a felt type cloth covering as apposed to the course wool type used on earlier war time ones...Semovente
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Post war water bottle have "kaki" felt cover, the pre war and war ones have grey-gren wool cover.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:35 PM   #6
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Post war water bottle have "kaki" felt cover, the pre war and war ones have grey-gren wool cover.
Ciao echofix
yes postwar canteen have a greenish khaki color, however you do not have to confuse it with the tropical WWII canteen. Here the color is a chocolate khaki.

Two of my WWII tropical canteen. A version with a buckle strap and one without it.

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Old 10-12-2017, 04:48 PM   #7
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There is a great confusion about these "tropical" canteens:
- someone says that these were produced for the Ethiopian war,
- someone says that were produced for the Spanish civil war,
- someone says that are for the Italian red cross,
- someone says what he like.....

I found about ten of these canteens between a block of 500 post war canteens, only post war, no wartime and I think that these are post war replacement of the cover.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:16 AM   #8
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There is a great confusion about these "tropical" canteens:
- someone says that these were produced for the Ethiopian war,
- someone says that were produced for the Spanish civil war,
- someone says that are for the Italian red cross,
- someone says what he like.....

I found about ten of these canteens between a block of 500 post war canteens, only post war, no wartime and I think that these are post war replacement of the cover.
Everyone is free to think what he wants!
It is well documented that Italians made tropical version of some items of equipment, like tropical shelter half and tropical bundling strap.

I know that the iron buckle for the canteen strap, like in my tropical canteen, is only a WWII production!, later it has been made in aluminum.

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Old 10-13-2017, 10:56 AM   #9
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Well i own two large capacity type italian WW2 waterbottles ..one a R.E. or alpini issue (but issued to troops in the desert etc because of the large capacity !)...and a large blue cloth type that Paolo Marzetti said was Regio Aeronautica aircrew/personnel issue for tropical conditions etc !..so i think their use has been adapted to whatever !...or a least thats what i have always understood myself and from others !?...Semovente.
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Well i own two large capacity type italian WW2 waterbottles ..one a R.E. or alpini issue (but issued to troops in the desert etc because of the large capacity !)...and a large blue cloth type that Paolo Marzetti said was Regio Aeronautica aircrew/personnel issue for tropical conditions etc !..so i think their use has been adapted to whatever !...or a least thats what i have always understood myself and from others !?...Semovente.
Yes Ed, you are right....
I have a black cloth type too. I bought it in a flea market for really little money...
so I don't think the seller made a grueling dyeing job or only a replacement of the cover....
so, very likely, there was also a model for the MVSN, even if it had been used in small quantities.
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Thanks Marco...i picked up this one as it has different strap fittings that i had not seen before !?...i posted it on here on the forum and was informed it to be Regia Marina issue W/bottle !
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R/M water bottle...
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Thanks Marco...i picked up this one as it has different strap fittings that i had not seen before !?...i posted it on here on the forum and was informed it to be Regia Marina issue W/bottle !
Sorry my friend that is not a RM water bottle!

RM made the M25 W/bottle for its landing troops. they had the caratheristic RM button and the strap like the British Mills.

It is very very rare, I have never seen one before. I have many items of this equipment but I have not the bottle!

Here are some pics of my archive.













Your bottle is a nice prewar M33.
First pattern had this different shoulder strap system.





first and second pattern







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Everyone is free to think what he wants!
It is well documented that Italians made tropical version of some items of equipment, like tropical shelter half and tropical bundling strap.

I know that the iron buckle for the canteen strap, like in my tropical canteen, is only a WWII production!, later it has been made in aluminum.

Here is a nice pic I found in Miles forum (http://miles.forumcommunity.net/?t=50273415)





the left bottle was never issued but the central bottle belonged to a soldier in the Savona infantry division in africa!

So tropical bottle surely existed!
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:35 PM   #15
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Marco thanks ..great info ..no problem about the bottle..iam pleased that mine is a pre war M33 model !...the Regia Marina bottle & its cradel are interesting items then Marco ..will have to look out for one of those...
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