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Old 02-04-2019, 01:54 PM   #1
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this helmet was posted by error here by member "hagen.191" :

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This M35 camo helmet was an untouched attic found out of a small village in Bavaria (Wolnzach) some years ago. I just found out that it is listed as a M35 SS Single decal camo (reference is the Brian Ice list). My question is: are any period pics of SS troopers known wearing this unusual type of camo? Thanks for your help!

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Old 02-04-2019, 01:55 PM   #2
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:11 PM   #6
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Thanks for your help but helmet has already been discussed here in JBHF and in GHW2 with 100% positive comments. So no doubt about its original camo. I just asked for period pics in the SS forum but unfortunately without sucess.

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Old 02-04-2019, 03:32 PM   #7
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Anyway, Brian Ice´s book is a piece of junk !!!
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:43 PM   #8
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The lot number data is irrelevant in this case.
One matching SS lot nr does not make it automatically an SS helmet , we see quite a lot of lot number doubles that went to different branches.
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Old 02-04-2019, 04:01 PM   #9
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I do not think that there is any unusual camo. i would say, that the colour is not original time period colour, but most probably some postwar painting. You can even see that the colour is not spread properly.

Once I have seen similar colour, it was para helmet awfully coloured during its post war theatrical career. So maybe it would be interesting to remove the colour whether under it is former colour and even insignia ... . But who knows.
Sorry but for me unusual camos do exist and are collectibles on their own are they are far away from the standards: they are not the norm but most of time they scare people that prefer normandy, or tan, or casual two tones colours, or white camos, well camos to feel comfortable with, as they were the most painted in units and shown on period pics.But perios pics often surprise us and some great unusual camos do exist in collection.

Colour not spread properly? Seriously???

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Imo, this is clearly an ugly postwar paint on a poor helmet...

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Liner and chinstrap show cleary that they are originals to the helmet, shell is in really good shape, not mint but not what would be called a poor helmet.
Ugly, maybe, but the camo paint on the shell don't scream fake at all and patina is there.

IMO white camo orverpainted with what's was left.

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Old 02-04-2019, 05:01 PM   #10
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Anyway, Brian Ice´s book is a piece of junk !!!
Please explain why.
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Old 02-04-2019, 05:51 PM   #11
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Sorry but for me unusual camos do exist and are collectibles
... and unfortunately most of the time they are fakes that are easy to make for crooks, and easy to sell to helmet collectors.

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not what would be called a poor helmet
I was implying that the helmet in itself was not messed up, only badly postwar painted, diminishing his value because he was ruined.

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... and unfortunately most of the time they are fakes that are easy to make for crooks, and easy to sell to helmet collectors.







I was implying that the helmet in itself was not messed up, only badly postwar painted, diminishing his value because he was ruined.



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You are welcome to visit me here in germany. I will show you the difference between a post war paint and an original camo. For a helmet newbie its not obvious but an advanced helmet collector can easily see that its an authentic and genuine camo job.

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The lot number data is irrelevant in this case.
One matching SS lot nr does not make it automatically an SS helmet , we see quite a lot of lot number doubles that went to different branches.
Absolutely correct...BTW nice helmet
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:02 AM   #14
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... and unfortunately most of the time they are fakes that are easy to make for crooks, and easy to sell to helmet collectors.


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Sorry Vince but an exotic camo or a casual camo will have to follow the same rules regarding patina, paint,general aspect.....Most fakes on the market are 3 tones Normandy, sud front or white helmets, so casual camos, kind of camos that most collectors would like to have home.
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