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Arnhem Tiger?
Old 11-04-2017, 04:18 PM   #1
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King Tiger in Arnhem?

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Old 11-04-2017, 04:39 PM   #2
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Why Arnhem ?
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Old 11-04-2017, 04:41 PM   #3
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I would say eastern Europe.
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:30 PM   #4
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Hi,

http://www.plusmodel.cz/war-gallery/trebon/index_en.php

http://forum.valka.cz/topic/view/167...t-Nordewin-von

https://www.tracesofwar.com/persons/...dewin.htm?c=aw

Třeboň (South Bohemia, Czech Republic) - 1945

On the May 9th German troops felt into siege near the village of Majdaléna, known as Svatá Máří Majdaléna (South Bohemia, Czech Republic). They disengaged, reorganized and proceeded towards the town of Třeboň (South Bohemia). They reached Třeboň at 02 o'clock the next day, on May 10th, and engaged again. The nearest to the town gates was the King Tiger (commander version, one from only twenty built) with crew commanded by
Oberstleutnant (lieutenant colonel) Ernst-Nordewin von Diest-Körber (Ritterkreuz Träger)

- see photo (a commander of Heavy Tank Unit sPzAbt. 502, which belonged to Feldherrenhalle 2 Division commanded by General-Major Dr. Franc Bake).

With aim maneuver out from enemy gunfire, his King Tiger run out from the road into soggy meadow and ditched into the mud.

The crew with its commander abandoned the un-operational vehicle. The Germans were very confused at this moment - according the Körber's diary, he supposed that they are at the suburb of the town of České Budějovice and they are under fire from uprising partisan troops. He did not note a loss of his tank in his diary at all.


You can notice that the Germans tried to get the tank out, but it was the Soviet forces which were able to get it captured after V-Day.

Case closed.

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Old 11-04-2017, 07:37 PM   #5
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:39 PM   #6
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Notice that it seemed that two photographers took pictures of the Tiger in the mud.
We can maybe see the second photographer on the picture below, on the left.
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:40 PM   #7
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Please notice the German cables still at the back of the Tiger.
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Old 11-04-2017, 08:04 PM   #8
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Hi,

more infos :

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/05/20/d...ys-of-the-war/

Around 21st of April 1945, the remaining units of sPzAbt 503 were assigned the the armored division Feldherrnhalle-2, that was created by uniting the remnants of the 13th Tank Division (destroyed near Budapest) and several other units. These tanks then reinforced its defensive positions near Drholec and Nový Přerov. On 7th of May 1945, the entire 8th Army was ordered to retreat to Třeboň (Wittingau) and then, further, to České Budějovice (Budweis). In the night between 9.5.and 10.5.1945, last larger battle that involved tanks took place in this region (near the village of Majdalena near Třeboň). The retreating FHH units were surrounded here and waited for the nightfall. Around 23:00, the Germans, supported by 10 tanks, managed to capture the important crossroads near the Majdalena train station and they continued to retreat to Třeboň. Třeboň however was liberated by that time by the Red Army and the access roads were covered by Soviet AT guns. Around 1 AM on 10.5., the German tanks charged the Soviet positions, but one Königstiger (command variant – only 25 were made, designated with roman I (black with white trim)- detachment commander’s vehicle) got stuck in the muddy field and the attack was not able to penetrate the AT position near Kopeček. Older sources state that it was knocked out by an AT gun.

The Tiger was not knocked out by an AT gun, as confirmed by the various pictures showing that the Germans tried to get out the tank from the mud.

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Hi,

and more :

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/06/07/a...esting-photos/

Speaking of the Germans, trying to surrender to the Americans – from the previous article, you might remember the part where the Germans tried to push west, through Třeboň to get to the American lines. Some made it, some did not. The following photos show the Königstiger of the Feldherrnhalle heavy tank Abteilung commander, Captain Nordewin Von Diest-Körber. While trying to bypass an obstacle on one of the local roads, the tank went off-road and got stuck in a boggy wet terrain – its commander not only did not know local terrain, but it was also dark when it happened. The tank, stuck in the field and abandoned, became an attraction for the locals during the first days of freedom.

After the end of the war, the Soviets acquired their trophies. The following picture was taken at Veselí nad Lužnicí, where the Soviets had to use no less than three Stalinec tractors together to tow the previously immobilized Tiger II tank.


More infos in the next book :

https://www.kosmas.cz/knihy/213366/k...znich-cechach/

"Květen 1945 v jižních Čechách: Nová místa, nová dramata" by Vladimir Kos, Mlada Fronta editions (volume 4 in the collection, published in 2016)

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Hi,

Review in French of the volume 2 Květen 1945 na Mělnicku :

http://www.colleurs-de-plastique.com...d.php?44796-Kv

Review in French of the volume 3 Květen 1945 v jižních Čechách :

http://www.colleurs-de-plastique.com...d.php?49243-Kv

Pictures of volume 2, 3 and 4 front covers.

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Old 11-05-2017, 05:35 AM   #11
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Any news about the fate of that kitten after the war?...It was fully operational so I doubt it was scrapped.

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Hi,

hundred of German tanks (including Jagdtiger, Tiger II and Panther) were in running order after the war... And despite that 99.99 % were scraped or used as test targets.
The command version in Kubinka was captured in fall 1944, it is not our Trebon tank.
I don't know if Russia may have any German tanks in their stock of WWII-present weapons.

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