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Old 02-22-2018, 07:01 PM   #46
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Civilisations...rise and fall...we make the same mistakes over time....regardless of skin colour now.
That is actually kinda profound———
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Old 02-24-2018, 03:58 AM   #47
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It tends to boil down to this, we are all a lot more similar than we like to accept.
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:24 PM   #48
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Not sure why talking about Africa, I assume sience changed their mind in 2017 with the so called Graecopithecus freybergi findings in Greece and Bulgaria.
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Old 02-24-2018, 03:28 PM   #49
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About the Graecopithecus freybergi findings in Greece and Bulgaria.

Much debate on the subject.

http://theconversation.com/theres-no...n-europe-78280

http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?...32017000700003

https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/...ved-in-europe/

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/201...gin-in-europe/

Artist rendering of Graecopithecus freybergi. From another article on the subject.

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Old 02-24-2018, 03:32 PM   #50
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Yes, just about to say, " El Graeco " has a very long way to go to unseat the Africa argument Robert.
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:04 AM   #51
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If you enjoy controversy, just wade into this one.

Native American Haplogroup X2a – Solutrean, Hebrew or Beringian?

https://dna-explained.com/2016/01/28...-or-beringian/

Does Mitochondrial Haplogroup X Indicate Ancient
Trans-Atlantic Migration to the Americas? A Critical
Re-Evaluation
Jennifer A. Raff & Deborah A. Bolnick

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/1...5Z.00000000040


"Meanwhile, geneticist Stephen Oppenheimer and his team at Huddersfield University are tracing unique DNA found in North America back to the Solutrean region, undertaking an unprecedented genetic study of Native American remains to see how and when this gene arrived in the New World in the first place."

http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episodes/ice-bridge

It appears that in the case of the Solutrean migration (and why not, the dna evidence is there) it has been made into political/race related issue and doing their best to ignore the real science. As in the "Cheddar Man" it's come down to "we are NOT related to them", with the peoples in North America decrying any connection with those evil imperialists from Europe, and the English aghast at the possibility that there might just be a golliwog in the family tree.

The dna work done on the Huron Wendat artefacts (graciously provided by the Huron Wendat first nation themselves) by geneticist Stephen Oppenheimer and his team at Huddersfield University, is truly amazing! The Huron Wendat peoples have a legend that they first came from across a huge lake from a land of mountains and caves. They just wanted to test pre european contact dna to see if there was any basis to the old stories. And guess what, there was!

I guess some folk are upset at the new material because it might just interrupt their access to the government subsidies trough.

As for the Graecopithecus freybergi find, who really cares if it was in modern day europe or in modern day africa? Neither of those geopolitical existed 20,000 years ago. Someone is just trying to make it into another political/race related issue. Damn I hate it when they drag politics and religion into the picture.


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Old 02-25-2018, 09:38 AM   #52
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Interesting links Larry. Another one related to North America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man

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Old 02-26-2018, 12:24 PM   #53
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Interesting links Larry. Another one related to North America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
So the Kennewick Man, and the Huron Wendat group both share the same haplogroup X2a. I wonder if they will ever be able to solve this puzzle to everyone's satisfaction? Possibly with more widespread global dna sampling, they will be able to construct a much larger and more reliable "origins"map.

I found this bit interesting:

"Stanford and Bradley (2012) specifically cite
the high frequency of haplogroup X2 in the Orkney
Islands near Scotland (in 7.24% of the sampled individuals;
Helgason et al. 2001) as supporting the transAtlantic
migration of X2a. Madsen (2015) also notes
that it is interesting that “a modern population with
one of the highest percentages of the X2 clade, higher
even than Native American populations, is found in
the Orkney Islands off the coast of Scotland” (Madsen
2015, 213). However, the X2 haplotypes found in the
Orkney Islands was not ancestral to X2a, so this particular
observation is irrelevant to the genetic prehistory of
the Americas. We therefore focus instead on Stanford
and Bradley’s (2012) and Oppenheimer et al.’s (2014)
other arguments in support of the idea that X2a
derives from a Solutrean migration."


It's too bad that they are spending so much time and energy trying to disprove the hypothesis of an Atlantic migration, rather than helping to explore the possibility.

One has to wonder what the naysayers agendas are?


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I guess this is what they call activist science. It's not even peer reviewed. Quickly becoming world news. Wonder why...
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Aaannnd the whole thing ended up being fake news...
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Aaannnd the whole thing ended up being fake news...
Not to worry mate, won't be long until all your folk have dark skin and light eyes!
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Not to worry mate, won't be long until all your folk have dark skin and light eyes!
Then they wouldn't be my people. Isn't that the whole thing about peoplehood?
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