wehrmacht awards


Go Back   Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums > Ken Jasper International Militaria Forums > Imperial Uniforms and Headgear

Imperial Uniforms and Headgear Imperial German Pickelhaubes and Uniforms.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

Info needed for super salty pickelhaube
Old 08-14-2017, 08:36 PM   #1
Rommel1942
Association Member
 
Rommel1942's Avatar
 
Rommel1942 is online now
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 306
Default Info needed for super salty pickelhaube

Hey all,

This pickelhaube came as an odd-ball in a large group I recently acquired. It's the first one I have ever owned, and it is in very rough shape. Missing spine and neck flap, with a poor glue attempt of the front visor (although the visor is firmly attached). Also missing chinstrap and cockades. The inside is intact from what I can tell, but pretty crusty. Of note, the spike and front plate have been painted gray by the look of it.

Can anyone here enlighten me on what type it is, or any information at all?

Thanks and best regards,
Finn
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_2925.jpg (125.5 KB, 160 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_2924.jpg (126.3 KB, 162 views)
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-14-2017, 08:38 PM   #2
Rommel1942
Association Member
 
Rommel1942's Avatar
 
Rommel1942 is online now
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 306
Default

Inside and close up.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_2926.jpg (78.6 KB, 161 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_2927.jpg (103.2 KB, 161 views)
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-15-2017, 01:10 AM   #3
kaiserwilhelm2
Association Member
 
kaiserwilhelm2's Avatar
 
kaiserwilhelm2 is offline
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NORWAY
Posts: 3,752
Default

Looks like a M15 with golden spike and plate painted grey which is uncommon. First time I have seen the spike attached on the inside of the helmet this way.
__________________
Collector of IMPERIAL/WWI German CYPHERED SHOULDER BOARDS, WWI MEDAL BARS WITH EK2s, German and Austro-Hungarian Imperial TUNICS, HEADGEAR and Belt BUCKLES.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-15-2017, 03:05 PM   #4
Rommel1942
Association Member
 
Rommel1942's Avatar
 
Rommel1942 is online now
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 306
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiserwilhelm2 View Post
Looks like a M15 with golden spike and plate painted grey which is uncommon. First time I have seen the spike attached on the inside of the helmet this way.
Thanks for the comment, how curious - so plates and spikes usually were not brass/ golden in colour and then painted over?

Best,
Finn
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-15-2017, 09:43 PM   #5
Grausig13
New Member
 
Grausig13 is offline
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: New England
Posts: 24
Default

This looks like someone monkeyed with it a bit--look at the way the Spitzenbasis is attached! I have issues with the Wappen as well--looks too poorly die-struck for a brass stamping.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-15-2017, 10:59 PM   #6
ROBB
Association Member
 
ROBB's Avatar
 
ROBB is offline
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: New York
Posts: 13,776
Default

Basically the whole helmet is crap . Find another helmet . Rob
__________________
Fork lift truck drivers Unite !
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-15-2017, 11:16 PM   #7
Rommel1942
Association Member
 
Rommel1942's Avatar
 
Rommel1942 is online now
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 306
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grausig13 View Post
This looks like someone monkeyed with it a bit--look at the way the Spitzenbasis is attached! I have issues with the Wappen as well--looks too poorly die-struck for a brass stamping.
Thanks for the comment. What specific parts of the helmet do you think are monkeyed with?
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-15-2017, 11:20 PM   #8
Rommel1942
Association Member
 
Rommel1942's Avatar
 
Rommel1942 is online now
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 306
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBB View Post
Basically the whole helmet is crap . Find another helmet . Rob
Rob, could you be more specific? Your comment is vague and really doesn't contribute anything- I appreciate that the helmet is in really bad shape, but that doesn't further my understanding at all.

I'm just trying to figure out what's up with the helmet - what don't you like about it, without you just saying that it's all crap?
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-16-2017, 01:07 AM   #9
kaiserwilhelm2
Association Member
 
kaiserwilhelm2's Avatar
 
kaiserwilhelm2 is offline
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NORWAY
Posts: 3,752
Default

The details on the wappen are poor. If it is painted over it might explain why the details look so poor, if the wappen is not painted over the wappen is probably a replica. A painted over spike is unusual as non-brass ones were made to go go with non-brass plates. However as the Austrians painted their brass grey at the beginning of WWI, it may have also been done by the Germans - but this is the first time I have seen this done on a German spike helmet. The attachment of the spike is very unusual, so unusual one might question it being authentic. All in all, not a standard spike helmet and not in great condition so not very attractive to own/sell/buy.
__________________
Collector of IMPERIAL/WWI German CYPHERED SHOULDER BOARDS, WWI MEDAL BARS WITH EK2s, German and Austro-Hungarian Imperial TUNICS, HEADGEAR and Belt BUCKLES.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-16-2017, 01:19 AM   #10
Rommel1942
Association Member
 
Rommel1942's Avatar
 
Rommel1942 is online now
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 306
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiserwilhelm2 View Post
The details on the wappen are poor. If it is painted over it might explain why the details look so poor, if the wappen is not painted over the wappen is probably a replica. A painted over spike is unusual as non-brass ones were made to go go with non-brass plates. However as the Austrians painted their brass grey at the beginning of WWI, it may have also been done by the Germans - but this is the first time I have seen this done on a German spike helmet. The attachment of the spike is very unusual, so unusual one might question it being authentic. All in all, not a standard spike helmet and not in great condition so not very attractive to own/sell/buy.
Thanks very much for the constructive comments, kaiserwilhelm2 I agree, I'm going to say that the hardware on this pickelhaube are all reproduction; I don't like the fact that there are multiple unusual issues with the spike and it's attachment, as well as the wappen.

Interesting that someone would go so far out of their way to alter a piece that was already in really bad shape!

Anywho, thanks for saying a little bit more than just 'it's a piece of crap'! You have a lot more knowledge than myself on pickelhauben and I appreciate you enlightening me with that knowledge

Best,
Finn
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-16-2017, 05:17 AM   #11
kaiserwilhelm2
Association Member
 
kaiserwilhelm2's Avatar
 
kaiserwilhelm2 is offline
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NORWAY
Posts: 3,752
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rommel1942 View Post
Thanks very much for the constructive comments, kaiserwilhelm2 I agree, I'm going to say that the hardware on this pickelhaube are all reproduction; I don't like the fact that there are multiple unusual issues with the spike and it's attachment, as well as the wappen.

Interesting that someone would go so far out of their way to alter a piece that was already in really bad shape!

Anywho, thanks for saying a little bit more than just 'it's a piece of crap'! You have a lot more knowledge than myself on pickelhauben and I appreciate you enlightening me with that knowledge

Best,
Finn
You are welcome. Have a great day
__________________
Collector of IMPERIAL/WWI German CYPHERED SHOULDER BOARDS, WWI MEDAL BARS WITH EK2s, German and Austro-Hungarian Imperial TUNICS, HEADGEAR and Belt BUCKLES.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-16-2017, 04:38 PM   #12
Grausig13
New Member
 
Grausig13 is offline
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: New England
Posts: 24
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rommel1942 View Post
Thanks for the comment. What specific parts of the helmet do you think are monkeyed with?
Look at other Pickelhauben and you will see different means of attaching the spike. Better strikes of the Wappen--repros tend to be soft in detail. The brass painted over in Feldgrau. You will see that this one differs from most out there if you look at any model 1915, or the earlier brass fitted models. When you spot anomalies, you need to get some good opinions, or walk away from the helmet.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-16-2017, 04:42 PM   #13
Grausig13
New Member
 
Grausig13 is offline
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: New England
Posts: 24
Default

This looks like it was painted inside! This is more what you want to see.:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Rommel1942 View Post
Inside and close up.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-16-2017, 04:50 PM   #14
Rommel1942
Association Member
 
Rommel1942's Avatar
 
Rommel1942 is online now
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 306
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grausig13 View Post
Look at other Pickelhauben and you will see different means of attaching the spike. Better strikes of the Wappen--repros tend to be soft in detail. The brass painted over in Feldgrau. You will see that this one differs from most out there if you look at any model 1915, or the earlier brass fitted models. When you spot anomalies, you need to get some good opinions, or walk away from the helmet.
Thanks for the info the helmet was thrown in with a large group of Canadian medals and badges. I've been collecting steel helmets for over 10 years and I never buy helmets that have unusual parts to them - but this thing was an odd-ball that I paid nothing for anywho, I had nothing to lose.

Now it won't be assumed to be an original piece ever again! Thanks for the help.

Finn
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump






vBulletin skins developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright Wehrmacht-Awards.com