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Old 07-14-2018, 09:09 AM   #1
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Some wooden bullets...perhaps training?




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Old 07-14-2018, 02:57 PM   #5
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Training ammo. Nice and not easy to find.
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Old 07-15-2018, 03:53 AM   #6
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Wooden bullets were often used in older types of Mauser blanks. I personally used this type of blank ammo during re-enactments in early 2000s but only the round shaped ones and they were always painted red (I mean wooden bullets of course).

However, never seen the sharp ending ones before.
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Old 07-15-2018, 05:40 AM   #7
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I have seen rounded purple ones (Platzpatronen), but never unpainted sharp bullets like these. The short rounded one looks like a driving round for a grenade launcher, however the manufacuring year is 1934, also as I recall the marking round the primer should be different in that case (?), so it must be an earlier training round. Interesting

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Interesting account of these...
Old 07-15-2018, 08:01 AM   #8
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Default Interesting account of these...

These remind me of an account I read many years ago by an American paratrooper's experiences in D-Day and after. At one point, he encountered a German MG position that had long belts of ammo with wooden bullets inserted between every
4 rounds of regular ammunition. He theorized that they were there to cause
terrible wounds with lots of splinters, and asserted he'd seen an American shot in the cheek with one.

Years later, in thinking about it, it occurred to me that these were blanks and would not cycle the action of the MG. With the very high cyclic rate of the MG-42, it would make sense to limit your gunner's firing to 4-shot bursts, to make him aim at individual targets, rather than shoot long, ineffective bursts and heat the barrel very quickly. Perhaps some experienced German NCO was ensuring that his less-experienced gunners used more effective fire?

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Cool Cullings C/508 82nd AB

So....


Many of you have my accounts of my friend Bud Cullings C/508 (BSM, SSM PHMx2 and CMoH nominee). On 7 January 1945, along the Their-du-Mont (sp?) ridgeline, he was involved in the action leading to his Medal of Honor nomination. In the course of that action, he was shot through the chest with a "wooden bullet".


He was able to continue to render aid to multiple paratroopers and single handedly carry three to safety under intense small arms, machinegun, mortar and artillery fire (thus his nomination), before succumbing to his wounds and being evacuated out.


He told me that the Dr. said the only reason he survived was due to the round being wooden. The round and subsequent splinters removed, he's still kicking (sat with him yesterday), at 92!


Great images of rounds the TR was pressed into using.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:38 PM   #10
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Blanks were used to slow the consumption of live ammo in MGs. The weapon will still function. Many Germans vets have told me so. Ratios like 1 to 5 or 1 to 10.

I have heard many times from veterans that those "nasty" Germans used wooden bullets to create nasty wounds. "Nonsense" is what I say. I too have fired 1000s of blanks in K98s and K43s. The wood is like a hollow balsa wood and they will completely disintegrate upon leaving the muzzle. I have fired them at paper targets out to 50 yards in 5-yard increments. Might hurt out to 10 yards, but mainly because of the powder blast. That is what they were designed to do. Would they have used these blanks for training when they would have caused injuries?

Sorry Tom, I have heard it all from US veterans. Respectfully, he was more likely to have been wounded by tree splinters caused by HE rounds, normal rounds, etc.

At least the Dr knew a wooden item caused less damage than a jacketed bullet. So why would they have used wooden bullets, if not as indicated (to reduce the consumption of live ammo in a MG42)?

As Sonnewende mentioned, the short wooden tips were to launch rifle grenades from the k98 grenade launcher. One was taped to each cardboard holder for the live round. Would those "stupid" Germans have fired a wooden round through a rifle into a grenade launcher and then into a live rifle grenade if it was dangerous?

I can't tell you how many US vets have told me "those damn Nazis used wooden bullets in sniper rifles to cause horrendous wounds where x-rays couldn't find the pieces"....and I would ask "how do you know that" and they would respond "I saw belted MG ammo in Nazi MG positions which had wood tipped ammo in them"...
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I have seen rounded purple ones (Platzpatronen)
You`re right. They were purple, not red as I said earlier.
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Old 07-21-2018, 03:19 AM   #12
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I picked up a few clips of the unpainted wooden tipped rounds about 20 years ago from a vendor at a local gun show and he was calling them Vampire bullets.
I haven't read or heard of that term being used to describe them since then. Was that description actually used by any "official" sources or was the seller just embellishing?
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:00 PM   #13
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Original blank wooden bullets would be hollow. They were made that way so they desintegrate once out of the barrel. The set of wooden bullets in the first pics would not be original IMHO. I have seen them in several colours.

See some them in period pics :

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Here are some blanks I picked up over the weekend, when I bought a small ammo collection. 2 standard Platzpatronen and a grenade launching blank.

Nice photos Carles!
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Sorry Tom, I have heard it all from US veterans....


No worries... That's what he told me. He was in an open field when he was hit. Whatever it was went in through his shoulder blade, across his chest.
I have a wooden round (looks a little different than those posted). I'll try to get a photo of it.
Shot lots of rounds, but never a wooden one. So I have no personal frame of reference to validate any position. Thanks Willi!
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