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#21, KM Signal flag ...
Old 04-08-2010, 01:31 PM   #31
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P & Co on a signal flag

Rob:
Once again thanks, had forgot about KM Signal flags even though
I had a couple somewhere in my long term collection storage. To all
again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------------( 4-8-10 update, rev#5 )------------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
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Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
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Fk6, Alte Garde
Old 04-08-2010, 07:52 PM   #32
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Recent posted NSDAP Alte Garde (gold party badge) flag now Fk5.
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------------( 4-8-10 update, rev#6 )------------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
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Old 04-09-2010, 05:09 AM   #33
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How about this maker?

Gabriel Herest A.G
Konstenz

Not 100% sure if that's it but looks that way...
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#22p, pending RKF review ???
Old 04-09-2010, 10:14 AM   #34
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How about this maker?
Gabriel Herest A.G
Konstenz
Not 100% sure if that's it but looks that way...
T_E:
Likewise not sure if period, header has track weave row, but both
it and RKF field material appears rather light weight. So would like
to see whole flag, also stamp is poorly applied with overprint edge.
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------------( 4-9-10 update, count=22 )------------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
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#12 example
Old 04-10-2010, 04:46 AM   #35
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Below is a #12 example, previouly posted on the WAF back in Feb 08.
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------------( 4-9-10 update, count=22 )------------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
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Fk6 one off example ???
Old 04-10-2010, 05:37 AM   #36
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Below is a Fk6 example, previouly posted on the WAF back in Jan 08.
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------------( 4-10-10 update, count=22 )------------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
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8b, on early first pattern RKF
Old 04-10-2010, 06:44 AM   #37
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Default 8b, on early first pattern RKF

A early sewn tag variation of #8, listed as 8b, from WAF in Jan 2010.
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------------( 4-10-10 update, rev=01 )------------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
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#23, example from my collection
Old 04-10-2010, 12:59 PM   #38
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#23, Brest U-Boat Pen US Colonel captured 1944, sold to me Vallejo GS 1970 for $20.

Brest France during WW2 had U-Boat Pens, Mare Island CA made subs & USN flags.

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-----------------------( 4-10-10 update, rev=02 )------------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
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Old 04-10-2010, 02:01 PM   #39
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Any idea of what firms were producing the 4 X 4's and swallow tails?
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about Army unit flags ???
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...what firms were producing the 4 X 4's and swallow tails?
Rich:
Interesting question, but not much available on same as Army
unit flags were not maker marked, at least those I've seen.
Prior to the model-1890 Imperial unit flags, there was a family
of court painters who did the German flags. In 1882 the firm
of Fahnen Fleck in Hamburg was founded that featured hand
embroidery products, which IMO was the primary manufacturer
of the ~500 circa WW2 German Army unit flags. The sole source
of the Army unit flag eagle teardrop pole tops was the Berlin
firm of Kraas Bildgiesserie (foundry) established in 1883. Modern
German unit flag tops were made by list #3, Bonner Fahnen, Bonn.
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#1 photo example from WAF
Old 04-11-2010, 12:04 AM   #41
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#1, from Jun 2006 WAF posting of multiple RKF examples.

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-----------------------( 4-10-10 update, rev=03 )------------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
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Fk7, leather triangle supports
Old 04-11-2010, 12:27 AM   #42
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Fk7, from Dec 2006 WAF posting.

Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------------( 4-10-10 update, rev=04 )------------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
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common to rare ???
Old 04-11-2010, 12:30 PM   #43
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Here are IMO the ranking of makers from common to rare, based on
those I've seen over my ~40 years of collecting "real" old flags.
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 12, 16, 4, 2, 14, 17, 13, 8, 7, 6
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 21, 19, 5, 3, 11, 15,
C. Seldom seen: 9, 22, 20, 10,
D. Ultra-rare: 23, 18
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1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
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Old 04-12-2010, 08:49 AM   #44
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#24, from previous WAF posting Jun 2005, RDF.

Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------------( 4-12-10 update, count=24 )-----------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St Tonis [in block], t=106540, *Merdock (RDF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 12, 16, 4, 2, 14, 17, 13, 8, 7, 6
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 21, 19, 5, 3, 11, 15,
C. Seldom seen: 9, 22, 20, 10, 24
D. Ultra-rare: 23, 18
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
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#24 correction ???
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#24, from another RDF example, SI or St ???

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-----------------------( 4-13-10 update, count=24 )-----------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS SI Tonis [in block], correction?, *Merdock & *BKW(RDF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 12, 16, 4, 2, 14, 17, 13, 8, 7, 6
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 21, 19, 5, 3, 11, 15,
C. Seldom seen: 9, 22, 20, 10, 24
D. Ultra-rare: 23, 18
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
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