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first, last, & rarest one ???
Old 07-29-2019, 08:23 AM   #16
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Default first, last, & rarest one ???

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... beside the Blood Flag this is the rarest one. ...
An Old Guard flag would date to no
earlier than the Oct 1933 AH order.
IMO the rarest flag is the only known
1of4 surviving 1923 1st RPT DE standards.
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(below) Oldest known surviving 1p DE,
the 1923 SA Munchen II Standard - later
renamed Regiment Fritz Todt, the last DE.
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More than one OG flag ???
Old 07-29-2019, 01:02 PM   #17
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Default More than one OG flag ???

Noting from 2015 WAF t=46430 yet another
Old Guard gilt 2nd pattern NSDAP eagle top.

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(below) IMO an original RZM 87 Gahr gilt top.

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Old 07-30-2019, 09:46 PM   #18
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Still no photos ?
Did it get snagged out from under you ?

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Old 07-31-2019, 05:36 AM   #19
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Nope, but as i wrote, Pictures will be posted when its possible, and at the Moment it is not. The People who i wanted to see it have seen it. And before the Puplic will see it all need to be sorted.

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Still no photos ?
Did it get snagged out from under you ?

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Old 07-31-2019, 10:47 AM   #20
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Nope, but as i wrote, Pictures will be posted when its possible, and at the Moment it is not. The People who i wanted to see it have seen it. And before the Puplic will see it all need to be sorted.
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:49 AM   #21
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Would be great if i could send you the Pictures from the Flag. It is exactly that one you just posted, just original

Confused. Is the one you acquired or hope to acquire just like the one in the photo that was presented on June 15, 1937 or like the illustration OFW posted? One wonders if it was kept in Munich on a permanent basis, or did RL Ley take it with him on his many Alten Garde Treffen in the various Gaues?
A glance in the Org Buch answered my question. The Alten Garde Fahne was taken out every year to accompany the 500 oldest service Party Leaders on their trips throughout the Gaues. Must have been a lot of wear and tear on it as they used all manner of transportation: boats, omnibuses and trains.
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:54 PM   #22
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IMO, it is an original & gorgeous !!!
Old 08-02-2019, 04:33 PM   #23
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Default IMO, it is an original & gorgeous !!!

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Confused. Is the one you acquired or hope to acquire
just like the one in the photo that was presented on
June 15, 1937 or like the illustration OFW posted? ...
JW:
The Old Guard Flag in question matches the large size
and proportions of the post #4 photo, shown on left.
It has 7 pole mounting loops, as in the posted photo,
and not the 8 as shown in the graphic, p#4 on right.
Gilt fringe tress edge has small woven swastikas, and
is something I've never seen before on any fahnen.
This OG Flag is worth the wait to view it's superb details.
I feel privileged to have seen some pre-public views.
.......OFW

...........(below) Post #4 photo & graphic repeated.
1933 year DE box name turned forward, 1937 OGF created.


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Old 08-02-2019, 04:51 PM   #24
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Thank you for the explanation OFW. Funny how the OrgBuch messed up the image of the AG Fahne.
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I knew this thread would be interesting! I feel like a kid a week before Christmas!


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And now the mystery deepens. Did the 7-ring version follow the 8-ring version or are there even two versions???
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Old 08-09-2019, 01:18 PM   #28
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I assume that the "Old Guard Flag" was stored at the Brown House, as the "Blood Banner" was. Was the "Old Guard Flag" placed into the permanent charge of any one individual, the way the "Blood Banner" was in the personal care of Jakob Grimminger? Was the "Old Guard Flag" carried at any specific functions or used in any specific way, such as the "Blood Banner" was used in the ceremony known as the "Consecration of New DE Standards?" And was there a unique pole top/finial produced for the "Old Guard Flag" akin to that of the "Blood Banner?"

Since the "Old Guard Flag" was second only in uniqueness and respect to the "Blood Banner," I expected to see this piece discussed in some length in Ulric of England's 1997 book, "Deutschland Erwache," though I can find no reference to this flag there.

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Thank Geraldo Rivera! I look forward to seeing what's in the vault.
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"Old Guard Flag" info ???
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I assume that the "Old Guard Flag" was stored at the Brown House,
as the "Blood Banner" was. Was the "Old Guard Flag" placed into the
permanent charge of any one individual, the way the "Blood Banner"
was in the personal care of Jakob Grimminger? Was the "Old Guard Flag"
carried at any specific functions or used in any specific way, such as the
"Blood Banner" was used in the ceremony known as the "Consecration
of New DE Standards?" And was there a unique pole top/finial produced
for the "Old Guard Flag" akin to that of the "Blood Banner?"

Since the "Old Guard Flag" was second only in uniqueness and respect
to the "Blood Banner," I expected to see this piece discussed in some
length in Ulric of England's 1997 book, "Deutschland Erwache," though
I can find no reference to this flag there.

Br. James
Hello Br. James:
IMO, oddly there doesn't seem to be much info
available on the trooping use, storage location,
or otherwise regarding the "Old Guard Flag".
I've only seen one period photo of the actual
7 pole loop flag, and the 8 loop graphic in the
Org Book (posts #4/#5/#23). Post #17 shows
IMO a gilt "Old Guard Flag" top with Gahr RZM-87
marking, which I believe makes the case for the
existence of more than one "Old Guard Flag", as
the post #1 flag also has a gilt 2P NSDAP top too.
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