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Anyone Recall Hans E. Flieger of Stadtholm?!
Old 03-24-2008, 09:46 PM   #1
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Default Anyone Recall Hans E. Flieger of Stadtholm?!

Hans E. Flieger is supposedly some textile testing house that would "authenticate TR hats as being of the period of 1933-45.
Their biggest proponent was the late, great firm of N & T Global Trading, once owned and operated by the now-disappeared Norbert Graetz.
I was surprised to actually see one floating around for sale:
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As with almost all these tags, it is on a mint color-piped SS visor:
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Anyone have any other examples? Did this company actually exist, or was it a product of Mr Graetz's basement workshop?
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Anyone have any other examples? Did this company actually exist, or was it a product of Mr Graetz's basement workshop?
Trust me it is pure crap. I was once thinking of having a late war Erel tested. I called about 20 companies that handled textiles and asked around. I found one place in Canada that could estimate age. Carbon dating does not work because of the margin of error. You can only get within something like 15yrs. Now they did say they could test chemical composition and determine the “exact” composition of materials. From that they would track period of use and origin of every single chemical that went into the material. They said the results in most cases would be surprisingly accurate for time frame used and national origin. The setback was the $2K it cost to do it.
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Visor attributed to Graf von der Schulenburg at auction:
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Part of the above lot (this one might be OK, but I don't collect these):
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N&T's crap is still bouncing around--this just popped up on Ebay:
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Forgot to add the link:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/WK2-Schirmm%...53.m1431.l2648
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Chris, I suspect that the milliner who made that visor is the same guy who made the UFD marked visors. I bought several of them directly from his son a few years ago.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=643052
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Chris, I suspect that the milliner who made that visor is the same guy who made the UFD marked visors. I bought several of them directly from his son a few years ago.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=643052

Ben, there is a definite similarity--those UFDs were the highest-quality repros I have seen....
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