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Old 01-21-2018, 04:17 AM   #46
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I sold the tunic to Hans.
I saw the discussion, that started well about the tunic, and seems that the straps are judged fakes.
I proposed Hans the tunic as I'm quitting cloth Collecting beacuse focusing only on helmets and because he liked that tunic from the first time I posted on a European Militaria Forum, I sent Hans the photos, he paid in a layaway so he had plenty of time to judge the tunic.
I told him about what I judged a reapplied eagle (I know about helmets, not cloth)and I wouldn't have any problem saying about the straps...If I knew that!
I didn't care about vetting the straps, or the tunic (my fault maybe...) when I bought the tunic.
As far as the straps: the late war wool backing for me is perfectly normal instead of the tropical one because this is not a tropical tunic.
This is a late war 1943 Southern Front tunic...they never met Afrika.
I saw photos of troops in Italy or France with regular field gray straps on these tunics. I will search them.
As for the Members saying that is similar to a well known fake they should at least show those clear fakes to compare...and show clear originals to compare.
But if they say so, should be like that, I assume.
But could be fair for all and educative to show examples.
I will help Hans finding out where the tunic was originally obtained, but It's difficult the years passing and the items going from Collector to Collector.
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Old 01-21-2018, 04:40 AM   #47
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These are for sale on the net, Transport waffenfarbe, described like that:

"Ribbed, olive/tan cotton construction slip on shoulder straps with subdued golden tan rayon diamond patterned, NCO’s tress to all but the slip on ends and light blue rayon waffenfarbe piping. Complete and in excellent condition."
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:00 AM   #48
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These are for sale on the net, Transport waffenfarbe, described like that:

"Ribbed, olive/tan cotton construction slip on shoulder straps with subdued golden tan rayon diamond patterned, NCO’s tress to all but the slip on ends and light blue rayon waffenfarbe piping. Complete and in excellent condition."
The Rayon piping on the tropical boards that you show in post number 47, is completely different to the Basket weave piping on the boards from the tunic that started this thread.

Rayon piping is seen on a lot of original tropical boards that were brought back from Afrika 41-43 and Italy 43-45,

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Old 12-07-2018, 06:28 AM   #49
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Hi Guys,

Just to bring this thread up;

I guess these boards are basket-weave as the ones on my tunic..?..

https://www.royal-dragons.fr/fiche-v...mier-6498.html
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:54 AM   #50
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Hi Guys,

Just to bring this thread up;

I guess these boards are basket-weave as the ones on my tunic..?..

https://www.royal-dragons.fr/fiche-v...mier-6498.html
Hello Hans,

Yes they do appear to be from the same maker, made in the same way with the same materials. Have read of this thread;

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...04#post8321504

All very suspicious indeed,

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Old 12-07-2018, 01:52 PM   #51
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Hello Hans,

Yes they do appear to be from the same maker, made in the same way with the same materials. Have read of this thread;

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...04#post8321504

All very suspicious indeed,

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Hello Chris,

Saw the other thread - bad stuff, it will probably never end...

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Old 12-08-2018, 02:09 AM   #52
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Hello Chris,

Saw the other thread - bad stuff, it will probably never end...

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Hello again Hans,

is it possible for you to post an image of the M44 backing wool on your medical shoulder straps beside the brown wool backing of a known original tropical strap ?

It would be useful comparison in more ways than one,

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Old 12-10-2018, 10:18 AM   #53
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Hello again Hans,

is it possible for you to post an image of the M44 backing wool on your medical shoulder straps beside the brown wool backing of a known original tropical strap ?

It would be useful comparison in more ways than one,

Chris
Hi Chris,

By the m44 strap you mean the ones from the tunic that started the thread..?..

And yes, I have 2 single EM straps and a pair of Feldwebel straps for the coat.

Will do.

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Old 12-11-2018, 04:42 PM   #54
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Hi Chris,

By the m44 strap you mean the ones from the tunic that started the thread..?..

And yes, I have 2 single EM straps and a pair of Feldwebel straps for the coat.

Will do.

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Hello Hans,

sorry for my delay in replying. No I do not mean a tropical tunic.

I mean a comparison image with the type of brownish late war wool. The type seen on items made in 1944 & 45 for example the short M44 battle dress type blouse.

Many thanks,

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Old 12-12-2018, 02:17 AM   #55
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Hi Han's

Chris does mean the fake straps that are on the 2nd pattern tunic threadstarter.
Photos of the fakes with your good tropical straps side by side front and back to compare the construction & wool backing. Am not convinced the wool on the fakes is the same but better photos might help.

Here are a couple photos of the fakebook FG straps with the single upper piece.
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Old 12-15-2018, 02:43 AM   #56
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Keep looking, tropical Medical straps are relatively rare but they are out there somewhere.
Indeed, they do turn up. Here's a set I just acquired. Yes, different top coloured panels, but construction, size, button hole and bobbin threads are perfect matches.
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Old 12-15-2018, 02:45 AM   #57
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Brown wool underlay.
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Old 12-15-2018, 03:04 AM   #58
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One lookers & an EM set as well
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Old 12-22-2018, 08:17 AM   #59
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Beautiful set ... EXACTLY what I need! Haha, enjoy Mark.
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