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Old 06-23-2019, 09:56 AM   #16
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In the following link you can see a thread that deals with KB30 with use of standard MG34, and how it was adapted to the use of gurtsacke first, and then for use with the panzermantel MG34, prior to introduction of KB50.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=587907

As can be seen in the manual pics, no Hülsensack to be seen, so that could confirm they were not used in early panzers. Anyhow, I recall seeing a pic of a kind of Hülsensack used with MG13...but need to confirm.

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Gents,

I was rereading Folke's book and I have just realised a couple of things:

-It doesn't say Hülsensack was introduced in 1941...but the Gurtsack 34 and the Gurtkasten 34 were.

-In page 256, talking about KB30 and KB50 there is a pic of a manual showing the interior of a Panzerbefehlswagen I in which you can see an MG34 with the Trommelhalter fitted and with a Hülsensack hanging under, and several Patronentrommel stowed by the MG34.

Pic #3 is a clear photo of a Panzerbefehlswagen I but can't see any Hülsensack in it.

So Hülsensack are seen in combination with PT34s and were produced before 1941.

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Old 06-24-2019, 09:30 AM   #18
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Now, for your delight Janusz, some pics I have found in my files. I don't know where I got them from but are just what you need

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Old 06-24-2019, 12:53 PM   #19
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Now, for your delight Janusz, some pics I have found in my files. I don't know where I got them from but are just what you need

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Answered your own query their Carles.

Looking at the pics the canvas appears to be green / grey colour with a touch of muck for flavour

Interesting thread.

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Answered your own query their Carles.

Looking at the pics the canvas appears to be green / grey colour with a touch of muck for flavour

Interesting thread.

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Hello Tim,

I've got much information scattered around and I never find the time to put things together and write some nice article.

Yep, looks like heavy duty canvas in blue/grey as used with other accesories (Gurtsacke) with that dirty greasy hands touch we like to see on our period items

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Old 06-29-2019, 12:17 PM   #21
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[...] Anyhow, I recall seeing a pic of a kind of Hülsensack used with MG13...but need to confirm.

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As I mentioned above, I had the impression I had seen some pics of MG 13s with some kind of Hülsensack...a bit difficult to see if you don't know what you are looking for, but here they are. I guess no one has one, right?


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Good conclusion. I did realize that I made mistake, connecting incorrect description with picture of Hulsensack. You were faster My mistake Great pictures again! Many thanks for sharing Those early things are very interesting and hard to spot.
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I was rereading Folke's book and I have just realised a couple of things:

-It doesn't say Hülsensack was introduced in 1941...but the Gurtsack 34 and the Gurtkasten 34 were.

-In page 256, talking about KB30 and KB50 there is a pic of a manual showing the interior of a Panzerbefehlswagen I in which you can see an MG34 with the Trommelhalter fitted and with a Hülsensack hanging under, and several Patronentrommel stowed by the MG34.

Pic #3 is a clear photo of a Panzerbefehlswagen I but can't see any Hülsensack in it.

So Hülsensack are seen in combination with PT34s and were produced before 1941.

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Old 07-02-2019, 04:01 PM   #23
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Gents,

I have found these pics of a Gurtsack that seems produced in 1940...Perhaps a pre-adoption one?

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It looks like it is very well done. Aluminium rivets indicate early production so the date on it does not seem to be fake or mistake Great find!
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Hey!

Any update about the hulsensack?


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Hi,
Not yet. I am thinking about correct fabric. I think some poor condition Rucksack could be cannibalized Not easy to find correct one and even harder to destroy it completely
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Not yet. I am thinking about correct fabric. I think some poor condition Rucksack could be cannibalized Not easy to find correct one and even harder to destroy it completely
I recommend to buy a postwar backpack made from wartime leftover material. They are easy to find and have no collector value.
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I used an old LW rucksack in bad condition to restore a Gurtsack...but I found the material was a bit thinner than that used for gurtsacke and other accesories. Anyhow the result was good. You need a higher grade of canvas. I have a Swedish bag that could do, and I also have a thicker modern canvas..but in green.

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Good approach. Thank You for this idea. I need to start to look for something non collectable
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Thickness of fabric plays the key role here. Colour is also important. I guess it should be green though Gurtsacke are green and beige. This brings different question but maybe good for another thread. I wonder what was the rule for painting early equipment. Green, Panzer Grau, blue-grey. For instance paint on early MGZ box is different than paint on ammo boxes or barrel carriers. I will post some pictures in couple of days. Short vacation now

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