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Old 06-28-2011, 09:19 PM   #1
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Yes that's what a said, a what I believe to be original Heer M40 Double Decal, one of the few made in the early months of 1940. The liner band is dated 1940. Naturally any time I've brought up this helmet anywhere it brings a lot of debate and criticism with it, which is understandable. So opinions are welcome, I've been burned before so I won't cry if I find out it's fake or something, but I do believe this is an original helmet. I've had this helmet for a long time and talked with many people who collect only helmets and I always seem to get the same answer after much delibiration, that it's real. A lot of people have pointed out that the National Decal has a pink tent to it, but many other original National Decals have this same tent to it especially it seems ones made by NS. I'm bringing it up here to hear new opinions on it and to see if it still holds up. So please look and criticize at your will, I'm only after the truth as I am not helmet expert and could be completly wrong in saying or thinking this is a real M40 DD Heer.




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Old 06-28-2011, 09:20 PM   #2
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:31 PM   #3
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I've heard of a DD M40, but it was never confirmed. Love to see what others have to say.

Is that a Pocher decal? Lines are thick on it. Guess its a manufacture thing??

Thanks for posting an interesting lid.

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Old 06-28-2011, 09:31 PM   #4
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It looks like a Home Run to me. The lot number is low enough to fit in with the 1940 dates. I think its the real deal......... Congrats!Jerry
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Old 06-29-2011, 12:57 AM   #5
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The Heer decal is for sure not textbook NS and it doesn't even look like a Pocher. I remember this helmet from a few years back , appear to be even the same pictures.

Now since that time we have a few new tools like a lotnumber list and the USB microscope.
There are no other DD M40's known by NS , so the tricolor decal would not be put on at the factory level. (but apparently none were based on the handfull of DD M40's around).

Perhaps the USB microscope could add some muscle to this discussion in favor of the helmet but I still don't like the helmet.


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Yes that's what a said, a what I believe to be original Heer M40 Double Decal, one of the few made in the early months of 1940. The liner band is dated 1940. Naturally any time I've brought up this helmet anywhere it brings a lot of debate and criticism with it, which is understandable. So opinions are welcome, I've been burned before so I won't cry if I find out it's fake or something, but I do believe this is an original helmet. I've had this helmet for a long time and talked with many people who collect only helmets and I always seem to get the same answer after much delibiration, that it's real. A lot of people have pointed out that the National Decal has a pink tent to it, but many other original National Decals have this same tent to it especially it seems ones made by NS. I'm bringing it up here to hear new opinions on it and to see if it still holds up. So please look and criticize at your will, I'm only after the truth as I am not helmet expert and could be completly wrong in saying or thinking this is a real M40 DD Heer.




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Old 06-29-2011, 01:35 AM   #6
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I can see your point. I think USB would shed some light on this one and lay the case to rest.
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Old 06-29-2011, 02:33 AM   #7
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Welcome to the forum! I can't get my head around the Heer decal, as stated most certainly not an NS decal and the detail isnt what you would expect from original decals. On the other hand I quite like the tri colour. Will be an interesting discussion. Regards, Bill
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:26 AM   #8
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I've seen this type of decal used on transitionals. There's something "odd" about it though. The National Shield looks good to me (from the photos).

The three M40 DD's I've owned were ET and SE.

With that said, I'd love to see it in hand.

The one I have left is an ET.
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Thanks for the opinions guys! I'm glad to see this helmet getting some discussion. I however do not have a USB microscope.
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made some new photos of the helmet







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A few more close ups of the Decals




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Still looking for more opinions on this helmet so I thought I'd bump this thread. Thanks
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Apologize for photos going down. Wasn't Asso. member then, so now I will post photos on here for posterity.
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