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GEHEIME STAATSPOLIZEI (GESTAPO) / KRIMINALPOLIZEI (KRIPO) & other DISCS -- START HERE
Old 10-04-2016, 07:50 PM   #1
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Default GEHEIME STAATSPOLIZEI (GESTAPO) / KRIMINALPOLIZEI (KRIPO) & other DISCS -- START HERE

**This thread is a work in process. The initial posts are credited to Don Bible. I am in need of further high quality photos of original examples to post, if you have some, please PM or email me.**

The picture on the right-hand side (disc number 5037) shows correct features on an ORIGINAL Gestapo disc. The middle serif on the letter “E” in all three places it is shown, in the word GEHEIME...are the same. It always has the “wedge or triangular shape.” This can normally be seen with the naked eye.

High quality “counterfeit disc” (number 10161) on the left-hand side, shows the middle serif on the letter “E” to have right angles...with NO “wedge or triangular shape.” This too can normally be seen with the naked eye...but a jeweler’s loupe makes it easier. This type fake is the finest quality COUNTERFEIT Gestapo disc, known to exist.

Size-weight- and metallic composition are very near the SAME as an original Gestapo disc...making it very dangerous to collectors.

It is the so-called “Polish fake from 1994” that once sold for $2500 for a very short time...before being exposed. Today, if an example can be located, it can usually be bought for about $250 as a collection filler.
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Front side of the two Gestapo discs (FAKE AND ORIGINAL) shown above.

There are only a few minor differences in the two discs on this side that can be recognized by EXPERIENCED COLLECTORS, but nothing really helpful to a new collector.
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This picture shows the three known planchet types on which ORIGINAL GESTAPO DISCS were struck at the Prussian State Mint in Berlin.

Shown at top is an example of the early nickel-silver (neusilber) disc which is the first planchet type. It is non-magnetic.

Middle example is struck on what is termed the mid-range type planchet which contains some less nickel. It is also non-magnetic.

Disc shown at the bottom is struck on a planchet that is mostly iron content. It is highly magnetic.

These color differences are only approximate...as aging...or other factors, can produce somewhat difference in the colors.

Cut-off numbers for each type are only approximate and no firm number-changes are known.

The numbers of these three discs range over the entire known number range in which Gestapo discs fall...from the 1000 number range through the 16000 number range. This does not however imply, that there were 16000 Gestapo discs struck...as numbers for STAATLICHE KRIMINAL POLIZEI (State Kripo) and GEMEINDEKRIMINALPOLIZEI ( Gemeinde Kripo or local detectives) are intermingled in the 16000 known total number range.
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Credit: Stan

The recipient of 4189, who held the rank of SS-Untersturmführer und Kriminalsekretär, was killed outside his apartment in Copenhagen in 1944 by "persons unknown".
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Credit: TP Alexander
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Another pic of 4388
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KRIPO

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Credit: RPN
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Credit: JoeW
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Credit: Don Bible
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Here is a higher numbered magnetic type disc, hopefully the viewer will note from the pictures & information posted that Gestapo discs can be found from the lowest (in the 100's) through the highest of the known range of numbers.

The other, # unknown, is another magnetic type although condition is attributed to being burned.

Disc Credit: Don Bible
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The earliest/lowest numbered example known!

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Credit: equirhodont
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Posting this for Don Bible

Since 1947, this Gestapo disc has been in the part of Palestine that later became Israel.

It was taken there by a young couple...a Jewish soldier in the British Army in Germany at the time of the surrender...and a German girl that he met, and persuaded to go with him to Israel...to be married there in 1947.

It was recently discovered among their personal effects by their descendants in Israel...who had never known about it earlier...and had no idea how or why, they came to have the disc.

The family located my name on the internet as a person with an interest in Gestapo warrant discs.

I was able to buy it under the condition that they never had to disclose their names...which I certainly understood. The unknown history behind the disc was so interesting to me that I agreed to their terms.

This is probably the most intriguing story that I have ever heard in 25 years of pursing Gestapo warrant discs.
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Several years ago, I purchased a 1944 matching set of Gestapo Dienstmarke and Dienstausweis, for Franz Glatz, that was issued in Klagenfurt, Austria...and was captured at the end of the war by British officer, Major Derrick Mordin. I was later able to make contact with Major Mordin’s son...who now lives in the U.S.
About 10 years ago, I had a very pleasant visit with his family. We still stay in touch.

Recently, I was able to acquire a second matching Gestapo set in Europe. Ironically, also issued in Austria, to a Gestapo operative in Klagenfurt in 1944. Both cards are in the 7000 number range...and have the distinctive feature of having the first number “7” spaced a distance away from the other three numbers.

The matching set along with 2 other documents are pictured, and being sent to a few avid Gestapo collector friends. There were many other documents in the grouping...as the Gestapo officer survived the war and once more served as a police officer in Klagenfurt. The grouping was acquired from his family.

This matching Gestapo set makes a total of four known to me over the past twenty-five years...and I have been fortunate enough to own and study three of them. Does anyone know of others?

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