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Old 03-22-2017, 06:59 PM   #61
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And here's the same example on the left compared with an unmarked example from Weitze's "S&L sales case" on the right. Again, unflawed and showing the same crisp pebbling pattern.

The medal on the right, as described by Weitze, is from a "sample case of the firm of Steinhauer & Lück Lüdenscheid" and states "almost all awards come from the company Steinhauer & Lück, except the Flakabzeichen by the company Assmann."
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Old 03-22-2017, 07:20 PM   #62
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And here too for reference is the Tombak S&L marked "L/16" in the bottom edge, and a side-by-side with the zinc "4"-marked example showing the same crisp pebbling pattern. There was no degradation in the crisp quality from the earlier Tombak version to the late-war zincer.
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:16 PM   #63
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Here's something interesting. Alex's medal on the right, the "late war or post-war S&L" with the strange surface flaws on the reverse, is not unique. Here's another example with exactly the same "mis-strike" and the source is somewhat concerning - Staegemeir. Of course, not absolutely everything Staegemeir sells is fake -- he throws in a smattering of originals, sometimes refinished etc. -- so perhaps these were both from a small cache of S&L rejects leftover at the end of the war. At least they're different from the Staegemeir cast repros in post #33, but it makes sense the Luftschutz 1. Stufe Ehrenzeichen would be a target for Staegemeir -- expensive and not much analysis on the forums (up until now).
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:51 PM   #64
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Here's an unfinished planchet of the zinc unflawed S&L design, described by the seller as "aus einer Lüdenscheider Ordensfabrik", 40 x 43 mm. Interesting to see before the internal cutouts.
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:23 PM   #65
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Another example of the S&L-type, previously posted by Ian Hulley with a nice anecdote of how he acquired it in a small lot of poorly stored, damaged and dusty old original medals from an attendee of the Malvern Military Fair three years ago.
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:09 PM   #66
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It's actually the medal in the middle that seems most interesting to me. It is identical to the Souval pattern but without the saw marks usually found on postwar Souval made LS1. I'll have another look at it, but it didn't seem to vary much in size or thickness compared to the "saw mark" Souval medal. Seems like an earlier Souval variant than the ones with the mark. It would be interesting to know exactly how early.

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Back to Alex's middle badge from post #52 - the one that similar to the Souval but without the "notch flaws".

After looking around I've found some blurry images of one other badge that I suspect is the same type as Alex's. This one has an L/12 mark in the edge...
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:12 PM   #67
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On the side-by-side, although the resolution of the image is poor, it looks like they share a shallow groove in the upper arm of the cross and "prominent pixel" in the inner flange of the right arm that I don't see on the Souval badge.
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The plot thickens. Here's the same type as the "L/12" but with an "L/11" mark. When you compare the bottom edges you can see the same markings from the casting, so these are the same type of repro but with different spurious maker marks.

Not sure if these are the same as Alex's or not. Alex, are you able to show a closeup of the bottom edge of your middle badge?

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And another, previously posted by Stan (with no claims of originality). Again "L/11" and the same surface irregularities on the lower edge as the other two "L/11" and "L/12" examples. Presumably all three cast repros, and nicely done.
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Hi Norm,

great work so far. Here is an additional pic of the LS1 you requested. The bottom of the edge seems different from the ones you show with L/11 and L/12 marking.

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