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Old 01-29-2020, 03:53 PM   #1
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Hello,

put this link in here, are there any other opinions about this case? This was offered as a 57er.

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Old 01-29-2020, 04:54 PM   #2
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Hello!!
Well, it is certainly not a case made by or for S&L or Deumer, so it is not a typical 57er style RK case!!
This style of rounded corner case with mushroom style push button catch has been made in the postwar years and is more of a copy of an earlier wartime style case.
Most of these are modern made, quite cheap in appearance and light in weight....
There are however some earlier made types, which are of excellent quality and heavy when you have them in hand, the quality of some of these is better than the standard 57 style case!!
At least a couple of vets did keep their 57 RK's in such cases, as photo evidence exists.....but the ones I have seen have a line around the lid, and a ribbed "wadding" rather than foam as a lid liner behind the silk, this one does'nt seem to have either of those features!!
Without the case in hand, its difficult to judge the quality or the weight!!
So it is best described as a postwar repro/copy, rather than a 57er!!
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:08 AM   #3
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Hello,
Thank you for this detailed explanation. What weight should a case have? With this case I see a line on the lid and it doesn't look that cheap for me.

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I agree, this case certainly doesn't look like one of the modern repros i have a vet owned example, i will weigh it and let you know
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Old 01-30-2020, 01:18 AM   #5
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An approximate weight would be good as a guide. I bought this case and it was offered as a 57er. But I still have an exchange right. Thank you for your interest.
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Old 01-30-2020, 11:50 AM   #6
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Ok, just weighed my round cornered case, and it is 108g, that compares with around 86g for a standard, early S&L RK case!
A modern made repro will be quite a lot less!!
Hope that helps!!!
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Old 01-30-2020, 02:12 PM   #7
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Hi,

a very interesting discussion.

I never saw a 57er RK case.

But I know and accept:
- 57er decorations in the original size, single or on a medal bar (Große Ordensschnalle)
- 57er miniature decorations for the use on a miniature bar (Kleine Ordensschnalle) on a ribbon bar (Bandschnalle), on a chain (Kette mit Verkleinerungen) or on a needle (Anstecknadel/Knopflochbandsteg).

57er ribbons and 57er cases for such decorations do not exist.

In the German "Ordensgesetz", the base for 57er decorations, we find something about the 57er decorations in the original size and a bit about the miniatures, but absolutely nothing can be found about ribbons and cases for the 57er decorations.
There are new made ribbons and new made cases. Such pieces had been produced before and after the law from 1957. And it is not really important, when they were made; they were made as reproductions. And the 57er decorations are not reproductions but replacement originals.

57ers are only officially allowed Third Reich decorations in a changed design (ohne nationalsozialistische Embleme).

For the ribbons and the cases the design did not have to be changed.

And for the law it is not of interest, which ribbons and cases were used for the 57er decorations.

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Old 01-30-2020, 04:01 PM   #8
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Hello Nigel,

thank you for your feedback, if it is there I will check the weight times and will also see how the quality is and whether I will keep it.

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Old 01-30-2020, 04:11 PM   #9
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Hello Uwe,

you're basically right too. A 57 case is also a reproduction, I like this case optically very well and I hope that it is also of good quality.

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Old 02-01-2020, 08:07 AM   #10
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The case is there, it is made of wood and weighs 88g. The quality is very good.
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Old 02-01-2020, 08:27 AM   #11
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Handle and the hinge is magnetic

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Old 02-01-2020, 10:05 AM   #12
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It looks like a nice case of good quality, it certainly doesn't appear to be a modern made case!!
What type of padding is underneath the silk lid liner.....does it feel like foam, or something else???
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The weight is good too, much heavier than a typical modern made case, and compares well with the cases provided for their 57RK's by both S&L and Deumer!!
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Old 02-01-2020, 11:17 AM   #13
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It feels like foam, like an EKI case from the war.

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Old 02-01-2020, 12:09 PM   #14
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All I can for sure is........
Its not a typical modern made case
Its not a typical case for a 57 RK
Is there any imprint left in the lid liner that maybe shows the traces of a Swaz or 57 core??
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Old 02-01-2020, 01:39 PM   #15
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An impression of the RK is not only seen as an impression of an oak leaf.

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