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Interesting 2 piece construction Hessen Belt Buckle
Old 03-04-2017, 12:17 AM   #1
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Default Interesting 2 piece construction Hessen Belt Buckle

Hi Guys,

Has this construction been seen before? I did a search on the forum but did not find any pics of this type.

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Old 03-04-2017, 07:16 PM   #2
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Never seen anything like it before . Seems a funny way to hold the crown on . Rob
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:31 PM   #3
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Hello,

This is a style of construction that can be found on Hessian buckles from time to time. It normally was not used on any of the other German states buckles.

I'll show some more examples that are in my collection

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Alan



First one shown is a pre-1895 model
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Here's a typical model 1895 Hessian example
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Here's a very unusual model 1895 Hessian that is not commonly found.
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Here's a model 1895 in 2-piece that is nickel-silver for the 115th Lieb Regiment.

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Old 03-05-2017, 01:16 PM   #7
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Nice buckles gents.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:35 PM   #8
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Here's a model 1895 in 2-piece that is nickel-silver for the 115th Lieb Regiment.

Best Regards,

Alan
Hello Alan,

are you sure that is "115th Lieb Regiment" ???

My understanding is that the Pioneer wore the dress/ walking out buckle with a silver crown on a silver buckle like your one.

115th Lieb Regiment, wore a gilt crown on silver buckle.

My 115 dress/ walking out buckle is a gilt crown on silver.

Another possibility is that the gilt has worn, faded or been polished off the crown on your buckle ? It not then it is Pioneer,

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Hessian enlsited buckles in white metal were for only for the LIR115 as far as I can tell from my references. All the Prussian pioneers wore a buckle just like those of the infantry. I've never heard of a bi-metal (white metal and brass) Hessian buckle.

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Hessian enlsited buckles in white metal were for only for the LIR115 as far as I can tell from my references. All the Prussian pioneers wore a buckle just like those of the infantry. I've never heard of a bi-metal (white metal and brass) Hessian buckle.

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Hello Chip,

my buckle is a separate mercury fire gilded Hessian crown, held by two loops on to a quality nickel plated buckle by an attachment pin on the reverse side of the buckle (same double loop attachment as the other buckles shown on this thread)

It came with the 115 soldiers stein and I was told that it had been worn during parades before WW1.

However, it is interesting, given your years of experience that you have not seen one like this and the reference material does not mention it.

An all white metal buckle would have matched the helmet plate of 115 given that they wore a white metal Leib/Guard star on a white metal Lion. If I am wrong then I offer my apology to Alan and wonder what mine is exactly ?

Anyone else reading this, got a Hessian two piece silver buckle, gilt on silver buckle or silver on gilt buckle ???

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Hessian enlisted buckles in white metal were only for the LIR115 as far as I can tell from my references. All the Prussian pioneers wore a buckle just like those of the infantry. I've never heard of a bi-metal (white metal and brass) Hessian buckle.
As Chip mentioned, there is no reference that I am aware of either, that mentions a bi-metal color buckle for the LIR115. All the reference works I have ever seen say they are nickel silver for this elite regiment.

I have no logical explanation as to why a nickel silver buckle frame would have a gilt Hessian crown on it with a 2-piece buckle, such as with the example Chris has. I am not aware of any Hessian regiment that wore such a buckle.

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Hello Chip,

my buckle is a separate mercury fire gilded Hessian crown, held by two loops on to a quality nickel plated buckle by an attachment pin on the reverse side of the buckle (same double loop attachment as the other buckles shown on this thread)

It came with the 115 soldiers stein and I was told that it had been worn during parades before WW1.

However, it is interesting, given your years of experience that you have not seen one like this and the reference material does not mention it.

An all white metal buckle would have matched the helmet plate of 115 given that they wore a white metal Leib/Guard star on a white metal Lion. If I am wrong then I offer my apology to Alan and wonder what mine is exactly ?

Anyone else reading this, got a Hessian two piece silver buckle, gilt on silver buckle or silver on gilt buckle ???

Chris
Can you post pics of yours Chris?
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:36 PM   #13
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Can you post pics of yours Chris?
Will do, but it will not be until later in the year when I become a paid up member again. I need to add some images to more than one thread that I have been meaning to do for some time now, like the "Pork-Pie cap" thread,

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Chris,

I tried to send you a private message, but your mailbox is full.

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Chris,

I tried to send you a private message, but your mailbox is full.

Chip
I have sent you an email Chip.

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