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Unknown - Pickelhaube Front Plate
Old 01-15-2018, 03:02 PM   #1
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Default Unknown - Pickelhaube Front Plate

This Helmet Front Plate was in a convolute of military pieces I bought. I've not been able to identify it, looked through Kaisersbunker.com excellent site and Austrian Front Plates, not been able to identify the coat of arms in the middle. Uncertain if it comes from a military helmet, maybe comes from a Feuerwehr or Police helmet. On the reverse are three small rectangular holding tags. Any information appreciated. Cheers
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Old 01-15-2018, 03:41 PM   #2
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Bavarian police or fireman

Not sure it is original - looks rather flimsy
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:08 PM   #3
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sorry, not a helmet wappen, it is from the cover of a vintage Bavarian Chocolate box. Very similar in design.

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It is a copy of the badge from the front of an officer's cartridge box.
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Old 01-16-2018, 02:42 PM   #5
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Bavarian police or fireman

Not sure it is original - looks rather flimsy
To clarify - if this is a Waffenplate for a helmet (as it was identified as such by the thread poster) this is not a military one. The two lions and the crown seem to indicate a Bavarian connection. The flimsy quality makes this not a period original Wappenplate for either police or fireman and it might well call into question the identification of it being a Wappenplate hence the chocolate and cartridge box suggestions by others. Taking a look at the attachment hooks I do not think it is a Wappenplate. What is strange about the item is that it seems to be two sided and not hollow on one side. This is also uncharacteristic for a Wappenplate but also for a cartridge box emblem.
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Old 01-16-2018, 09:24 PM   #6
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link to conversation about this type of emblem on Pickelhaubes.com

http://pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewtopic...=cookie#p24989

I stated earlier it was from a box of chocolates, but it was from a cookie box.

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Old 01-17-2018, 05:38 AM   #7
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Gentlemen thanks for the posts - dealing with the points you raise. Yes it's flimsy, the pressing material is only 0,1 mm thick. I agree, its most likely not a Wappenplate from any organization. Although comparing the size of it, against a Bavarian Pickelhaube I have, and its rounded form - size-wise, its a good fit and as been mentioned the two lions are very similar indeed to Bavarian Lions. The one puzzle for me is the coat of arms shield, if its Bavarian invariably there's some representation of lozenges, somewhere on the shield, here nothing. Can only think maybe its a city's shield ! or if its from a cookie box / cartridge box, maybe the maker as put his own coat of arms on. To clear a point up perhaps not shown up so well in the photos, the bottom picture is the reverse (hollow side). Again thanks for the posts, if anything crops up or occurs to me, I'll post further. Cheers
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Its loosely based on this:
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Its loosely based on this:
Not really - as that just depicts the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Bavaria, as does the Wappen on the Pickelhaube.
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Well, yes. Same shape, configuration, leaves at bottom. Only the arms inside the oval are different.
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