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Old 11-07-2010, 04:07 PM   #1
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Does anyone know what the rank of Staffelmeister is and which organisiation used it?
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:06 PM   #2
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Normally "Staffelmeister" is a term of sport dealing with relay. A Staffelmeister is a champion in relay, as far as I know, not a military rank.

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Old 11-12-2010, 10:10 AM   #3
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Well it certainly was a military or paramilitary rank in the war.


There's a Staffelmeister buried in the German war cemetery up here

http://www.volksbund.de/graebersuche...CC2AE18C9DDF76


Nachname:Jordan
Vorname:Günther
Dienstgrad:Staffelmeister
Geburtsdatum:12.09.1923
Geburtsort:
Todes-/Vermisstendatum:14.02.1941
Todes-/Vermisstenort:
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Old 11-12-2010, 12:43 PM   #4
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I never found this rank before. Could you imagine in which organization/unit you will find this

rak?

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Old 11-12-2010, 01:29 PM   #5
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Nevertheless I do not know which rank he has I found an other soldier in the Volkabund list with the rank "Staffelmeister":

Nachname: Fricke
Vorname: Karl
Dienstgrad: Staffelmeister
Geburtsdatum: 17.03.1917
Geburtsort: Mettmann
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 15.09.1939
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Laszki/Polen


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Old 11-12-2010, 02:13 PM   #6
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That's why i'm asking, I haven't a clue!

What about one of the beamten type ranks?
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Old 11-12-2010, 03:18 PM   #7
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Never heard about a rank like this and I did a research too.

Normally you should find an ordinary military or civil rank namen in the www.

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Old 12-26-2010, 07:59 PM   #8
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Just that, head of the sports for a unit.I know Kreigsmarine had one as Ive seen this term in a roster of men.
Its basically a coach.Each organisation/army had to do athletic training,SS,KM,SA,NSKK,Heer,etc etc etc.as each has their own sport uniform{tank top,shorts} as youve seen.This would be teh atletics trainer.
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Old 12-27-2010, 02:27 AM   #9
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so it is a function and not on a military rank.

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Old 12-27-2010, 05:02 AM   #10
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Ah, then this would be the same a 'PTI' in the British army? (physical training instructor)
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I made a request and asked directly the Volksbund to give me some information an theses 2 soldier KIA with the unknown rank: Staffelmeister.

The checked the entry and told me that they made a mistake and that the correct rank

should be "SS- Staffelmann" (the lowest SS rank).

The also annouced me to correct the entry in the list.


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Old 11-29-2019, 02:51 AM   #12
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8 year old thread, I know, but I also found a "Staffelmeister".. who was according to his death card a "Obergefreiter in einem Gebirgsjägerregiment". There were of course SS GJ as well, but not so sure if the explanation of the Volksbund was correct...

Nachname:Koller
Vorname:Konrad
Dienstgrad:Staffelmeister
Geburtsort:nicht verzeichnet
Todes-/Vermisstendatum:11.01.1945
Todes-/Vermisstenort:nicht verzeichnet
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:49 PM   #13
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Hello !

Thanks for bringing up this old topic, I found this a very interesting question.
And I also could not find any hint that a rank of Staffelmeister was used within the Wehrmacht.

The first thing I find worth noting, is that all Staffelmeister entries are from Volksbund or other listings of KIA / MIA soldiers.
So far noone has shown a SB/WP or award doc with that "rank".
Therefore I would tend to believe, that it is a kind of error/misinterpretation
during the registration process.

- So my first question would be, what kind of lists does the Volksbund use to fill in the database ?
(Handwritten, written with typewriters, etc ... ?)

- The next question is, which word/abbreviation could be (mis-)interpreted as Staffelmeister ?
(If this is from handwritten lists, the closest German word I could think of is : Waffenmeister or maybe Stabszahlmeister ?! )

However, what speaks against it. is that many of the soldiers are relative young and seem to be unlikely senior NCOs.

Then there is the 3rd question :
If the abbreviation is from SS rank Staffelmann, why would it possibly be used/misread as "rank" of regular Heer soldiers ?

=> In the example by shown by Tim DC, there seem to be no connection to a SS-unit.

Regarding the two soldiers Gerdan contacted the Volksbund abaout :
Regarding the place of death of Fricke in Poland, I have doubts that SS-units were in that area.
For Jordan in Norway, I do not know whether SS-units were in that area.

Here is another one, Erich Gustje, who fell in Belorus at Kurgan, 10.07.41, but I have no idea which unit :
http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/2017/p...1_wk2_bay.html

But there are also examples which seem to have a SS connection :
Here is one (also listed as Sturmmann und Staffelmeister ) :
Heinz Berk (this could be SS-Inf.-Pionier, because III./SS-Rgt. DF took WesterVoort (near Arnhem) on 10.5.40) :
http://www.kriegstote.org/cgi-bin/ba...tuell&Id=93686

And then there is one Staffelmeister mentioned in a FdW thread, there obviously a member of a Police unit
(but noone answered the question about the rank !) :
https://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/i...517#post566517

I hope this gives some additional input on this interesting question.

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