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Old 04-14-2019, 11:39 AM   #1
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Any chance that this was an actual period cuff title ?
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:33 AM   #2
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I got three hits off of GOOGLE, when I entered these two words.
It is all in German and is too large a file to translate.
An odd cuff title but it is such a subdued item (no swastika or other 'evil' symbol), it might just have a chance!

Looks like it is sewn onto the sleeve of a tunic.
Let's see the whole thing. It might help.
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Old 04-16-2019, 03:05 PM   #3
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I think this cuffband has a big chance to be a good one. It is no fantasy at all. They were mentioned. I think it is quite rare!!

With an order from Apil 25, 1944 (Verf.Eisabt des RVM 57.565 Uskd) a publication was issued in the "Amtsblatt der Reichbahn-Direktion Stuttgart"
about the uniform to wear by foreign personnel for the Dt. Reichsbahn.

It was ordered that at the left upper arm of the uniform (also the greatcoat) a cuffband was to be worn when they had contact with travellers at stations etc. A group of functions were mentioned.
Those not visibly to the public did wear the appropriate armband, but no cuffband.

Two cuffbands were mentioned in the order (of course a very dark-blue backing with yellow colored lettering):
a) Ausländereinsatz
b) Tschechen-Arbeitseinsatz

As far as I know Duch personnel did wear the Ausländereinsatz.

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Old 04-16-2019, 04:32 PM   #4
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So Wim, do you think that the description was intended for all Reichsbahn Direktionen and you found it in a publication sent to Stuttgart. But the "Tschenchen Arbeitseinsatz" was no doubt intended for work detail use in the Protectorate.
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Old 04-16-2019, 07:19 PM   #5
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Thanks for the input on this
Here is a photo of complete tunic.
Not something I collect as I find it rather disturbing but would like to know if its real
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Old 04-17-2019, 01:50 AM   #6
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So Wim, do you think that the description was intended for all Reichsbahn Direktionen and you found it in a publication sent to Stuttgart. But the "Tschenchen Arbeitseinsatz" was no doubt intended for work detail use in the Protectorate.
It was a general decree, an extension to an order from 1942 (5 Klk 1 Uksd with the decree 57.565 Uksd from April 13, 1942) in which the to be worn dress/uniform for Dutch and Tsjechs was announced. It was published as "im Bereich der Deutschen Eisenbahn". This publication was published in the Amtsblatt der Reichsbahndirektion München.
The earlier order was described as "Dienstkleidung der bei der DRB im Reichsgebiet eingesetzten ausländischen Eisenbahnbediensteten" and was send to all DRB directions and where it was needed to know about these orders. So the men were active all over Germany (but just smaller numbers). Tsjechs as well as Dutch helped out in Germany with the DRB, but tramways as well. Occasionally they did wear a uniform or dress from the country related. It was noted in the publication as "fremdländische Uniform". They were not allowed to wear the national eagle emblem, but the wing. For those from Poland or workers from the east (Ostarbeiter), other orders were published (these I do not have).

The shown tunic - tropical color - was used in some countries, but the Jewish star hardly will have been used along with this cuffband. The orders do not mention Jews. I think some "idiot" put it together to make some money!

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Old 04-17-2019, 02:51 PM   #8
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Here's a full translation of the 1944 regulations Wim has mentioned:

"I. As has already been ordered by various individual decrees, so as to conserve textile materials, foreign railway personnel working for the Deutsche Reichsbahn in officials' positions that require the wearing of service dress are first to wear out their foreign uniform, which they are to bring with them and from which all foreign badges are to be removed. In all cases, the headgear to be worn with this foreign uniform is the service cap (sidecap) of the Deutsche Reichsbahn, without the cockade and national eagle, but with the two-piece gold-colored winged wheel. The sleeve band with the inscription "Ausländereinsatz" as ordered in the decree of 13 September 1943 - 57.565 Uskd - is to be affixed to the left upper sleeve of the uniform (including the greatcoat).

II. If no foreign uniform is at hand or in case it has been worn out (as well as any serviceable spare uniforms possibly sent from the home country) the following is to be observed:
a) Foreigners who are permanently working for the
Deutsche Reichsbahn's supervisory service at passenger railroad stations, in the conductor- and freight master service and as drivers of passenger railcars, coaches and motorcars in officials' positions that require the wearing of service dress are to be issued Reichsbahn service dress. It is to be worn without badges (shoulder boards, collar patches, national eagle); for reasons of economy, the gold buttons are to remain. Only a two-piece winged wheel is to be affixed to the service cap (sidecap). The "Ausländereinsatz" sleeve band mentioned under I. is to be worn with the Reichsbahn service dress. The foreign employee and (by means of an allowance) the Deutsche Reichsbahn each bear half of the cost for the service dress.
Costs are to be collected the same way as for German
Kleiderkasse members, but through special lists. The foreign employees do not become compulsory Kleiderkasse members through this.
b) Foreign personnel in other assignments that require the wearing of service dress, but in which they do not come in direct contact with travellers, for example as switchmen, are only issued the
Deutsche Reichsbahn's service cap (sidecap) without the cockade and national eagle, but with the two-piece winged wheel. These employees wear the grey armband with the inscription "Im Dienste der Deutschen Reichsbahn" on the left upper sleeve of their clothing. As they are not fully uniformed and do not come into contact with the travelling public, the "Ausländereinsatz" sleeve band is not be worn below the armband. Cost for the service cap is to be borne by the employee in full.

III. Concerning the provision of work-, winter- and rain clothing for the aforementioned foreign employees, the
Deutsche Reichsbahn regulations DV 27691 and 21914 apply.


Additional regulations by the RBD:
1. Decree 57.565 of 13 September 1943 has not been published.
2. For foreigners who are working in an officials' position that requires the wearing of service dress, tailor-made clothing may be ordered from the
Kleiderkasse with the requisition form provided that the foreign uniform has been worn out. It is to be made clear on the requisition form that it is for a foreign employee.
3. Armbands with the inscription "
Im Dienste der Deutschen Reichsbahn" are to be ordered by the equipment requisition slip D 22206 from the protectice clothing supply.
4. The "
Ausländereinsatz" and "Tschechen-Arbeitseinsatz" sleeve bands are to be sewn to the left upper sleeve of the uniform.
Addendum to b): The regulations for the wearing of the badges for Poles and Eastern workers are not affected by this regulation.
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Old 04-17-2019, 03:00 PM   #9
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