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Old 01-24-2017, 08:47 AM   #1
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In 2013 I obtained a nice little grouping of a Kriegsmarine Matrosenobergefreiten who served in the Küstensicherungsverband 5 - Westküste Norwegen.

I would truly appreciate comments on this Ehrennadel des Tigerverbandes - I have no problems with the paperworks and know they are the real deal, but any comments on this Ehrennadel will be highly appreciated


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Old 01-24-2017, 08:49 AM   #2
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Some more photos of this Ehrennadel des Tigerverbandes
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:51 AM   #3
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Quite difficult making some good photos of this miniature Ehrennadel ...

Any comments will be highly appreciated!


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Old 01-26-2017, 09:08 PM   #4
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Hi AH,

Good topic and one which needs some exploration and discussion. Not many posted in the past for comparison so maybe we can get a reference thread going.

Here's an example like yours, equally mint, that sold on eBay.de in October, 2016 for 154 Euro. The dimensions and weight are given: "Das Abzeichen hat die Maße (ohne Nadel) - Länge 10mm - Breite 7mm - Gewicht ca. 2g"

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Old 01-26-2017, 09:15 PM   #5
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Here's one previously posted by Dion in 2009 which is strange since it lacks the date "1940" on the obverse, and yet looks like identical construction with the same pin system.
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:19 PM   #6
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Another one from that same thread but with inadequate photos.
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Here's one previously posted by Dion in 2009 which is strange since it lacks the date "1940" on the obverse, and yet looks like identical construction with the same pin system.
There's another photo from the internet of the same example and grouping posted by Dion previously, without the "1940". This site gives the dimensions as follows:
"Höhe gesamt inkl. Nadel ca. 5,5 cm
H x B des Wappens bzw. des Schildes ca. 9,5 x 8 mm"
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Here's one previously posted by Dion in 2009 which is strange since it lacks the date "1940" on the obverse, and yet looks like identical construction with the same pin system.
The same grouping with the unawarded document fragment and the pin lacking the "1940" date has made it into Weitze's latest update but no longer includes the large plaque from back in 2009, and since that time an EK2 ribbon has been added.

When you compare it to AH's pin, you can see that it's not that the "1940" was ground off; there are several small differences in detail indicating a different die. That variant without the date is still something of a mystery.

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Old 01-26-2017, 09:50 PM   #9
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In 2013 I obtained a nice little grouping of a Kriegsmarine Matrosenobergefreiten who served in the Küstensicherungsverband 5 - Westküste Norwegen.

I would truly appreciate comments on this Ehrennadel des Tigerverbandes - I have no problems with the paperworks and know they are the real deal, but any comments on this Ehrennadel will be highly appreciated


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Hi AH,

The documents are interesting. Do you know anything more about their provenance? Whose signature is on your nice Ehrennadel document? All the other documents posted on the net (mostly bad images) seem to show Hans Bartels' signature.

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Old 01-26-2017, 10:01 PM   #10
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The photocopied document from the grouping mentioned by Christian, formerly in the collection of Bodo Willer.
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Old 01-26-2017, 10:03 PM   #11
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Also from Bodo Willer's collection. Two more documents, one with Bartels' signature and another with another officer's signature.
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Old 01-28-2017, 12:26 PM   #12
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Nice grouping!!
Below are some items from the Bartels estate; the certificate is to a former KM NCO, and future W-SS officer:
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Old 01-28-2017, 12:29 PM   #13
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It seems the flags were hand painted aboard the ship. On the photos below, a number of freshly painted flags is hung up to dry as a sailor is applying the final brush strokes to an almost finished flag:
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