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Old 06-09-2019, 06:32 AM   #31
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Yes you are right, I missed those points

This stein is now getting weird. However, I am wondering if he has been in more than one unit/ Battalion/ Regiment or is he a one year volunteer ???

In one unit from 1910 to 1911 then another unit from 1911 to 1912 ?

May be he was a baker in field bakery unit from 1910 to 1911 then an infantry soldier from 1911 to 1912 ? or the other way round ?

Was he in a Saxon unit at some stage ?

What a hotch-potch of interesting possibilities,

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Yes Chris, any of the above is possible, an obscure and interesting stein, but above all original.

I do doubt the one year volunteer scenario though.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:37 AM   #32
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I do doubt the one year volunteer scenario though.
Yes we can probably dismiss that one. When I first looked at it and saw the years of 1911 & 1912, I thought it possible. But the 1910 to 1911 changes that.

The Saxon connection is a mystery,

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KW2 and I don’t get along, however I do still love Norway and did many trips there in the 90’s when working for Kvaerner in the UK.

No hard feelings.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:41 AM   #34
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Also why is there Ludwigsburg on it? This regiment was only stationed there 1883-1890, in 1910 it is stationed in Heilbronn.
Very good point,

the 3rd Wurttemburg Infantry Regiment, number 121 was garrisoned in Ludwigsburg at that time,

It seems to be one anomaly after another,

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Old 06-09-2019, 06:48 AM   #35
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Very good point,

the 3rd Wurttemburg Infantry Regiment, number 121 was garrisoned in Ludwigsburg at that time,

It seems to be one anomaly after another,

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Are you just trying to wind up JR? Come on Chris you know it is right, just unusual.
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Are you just trying to wind up JR? Come on Chris you know it is right, just unusual.
No wind up Mike,

you know yourself that Imperial German steins and the history that goes with them floats my boat. I have over a hundred of them and would buy a hundred more if I had not run out of room to display them.

Then there are the ones I have sold over the years like yourself.

kaiserwilhelm2 is absolutely correct. JR's stein has the wrong garrison town on it which only add to all the other interesting anomalies it has.

Personally rather than being a problem, it adds to the interest factor and rarity points of this stein. It certainly is not the usual bog standard, boring infantry stein. Far from it. First one I have ever seen with that field bakery scene on it.

The only down point I can see is the small chip & hole to the base and I am uncertain if the lid is replaced or not,

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Rightio, I think it likely has a replacement lid.
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Old 06-09-2019, 07:24 AM   #38
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It's a genuine item missing the spike on the helmet and lid on the stein in his uplifted hand.
The spike on the helmet of the soldier on the lid may in fact never have been there. On some of these lids the spike did not mold very well when they poured the liquid pewter. As a result there never was a spike in the first place.

Also the solder is the version hold up a field water bottle. Thus there is no missing lid on the stein in his uplifted hand,

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Old 06-09-2019, 07:29 AM   #39
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Some IG steins had 2 different side panels to indicate assignment with 2 different units which also might account for the 2 separate dates.

Here is my baker.

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Some IG steins had 2 different side panels to indicate assignment with 2 different units which also might account for the 2 separate dates.

Here is my baker.

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Wow, excellent baker stein.

And clearly marked to a Military Field Bakery unit at "Abteilung" level rather than an Infantry regiment.

Very rare,

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Well yes that would work:

Served one year with the infantry. Then after one year with the infantry cushy jobs were handed out for some in the second year (this was the practice at the time): being in the bakery unit may have qualified as such a cushy job.

Now just speculating: what if that bakery unit was based in Ludwigsburg with a higher element the Brigade? FR 122's overarching 52nd Infantry Brigade was based in Ludwigsburg.
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Old 06-09-2019, 03:56 PM   #42
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[QUOTE=90th Light;8468525]I am not so sure that he was a baker Mike.

more likely part of the unit assigned to defend and protect the bakers. He looks to be in the 3rd company of Regiment 122. This is a company of infantry soldiers. The motto "Long live the military bakery" is interesting. Does this refer to a role of protection rather than making bread ? It also raises the question, did each company have bakers or each battalion ?



I'm pulling out of this one now, the expert has spoken so there is nothing else to add.
The stein is what it is and that is all there is to it.
Chris I don't know where you get " Long live the military bakery" Hock leib die militarbarkerei translates out at " High life in the military bakery in my book.

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Chris I don't know where you get " Long live the military bakery" Hock leib die militarbarkerei translates out at " High life in the military bakery in my book.

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Easy it reads;

"Hoch lebe die militarbarkerei" not the "Hock leib die militarbarkerei" that you are quoting

As I understand it "Hoch lebe" translates to "Cheers" but in this configuration "Hoch lebe die militarbarkerei", it translates to "Long live the military bakery"

One of our German members might be kind enough to confirm this

Not sure where you get "Hock leib" from ? It pays to double check,

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Yes long live the military bakery.
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Yes long live the military bakery.


Thanks KW2 for putting me straight on that one. I was just going by what someone I was showing the stein to one time reckoned it said.
My apologies to Chris as he said I should have checked before I wrote.

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