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Old 02-27-2018, 11:13 PM   #1
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Hello gentlemen, i am newbie to EK 2 and would like to see if this one is a genuine one. Pls see if you could give me some of your professional opinions? Thank you

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F332559729084
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Old 02-27-2018, 11:31 PM   #2
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It's a fake.
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Old 02-28-2018, 12:02 AM   #3
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Thanks Streptile. I feel it is take too. I compared the numbers and stem of the flower and feel the same
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:12 AM   #4
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As I already wrote in TR forum, it is "upgraded" 1914er. Quite interesting attempt to make a stepped core from it.
My friend Rob who collects fakes would be really interested in this one. For 40 € at best.
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:01 PM   #5
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Unbelievable! Some "lucky guy" paid 1132 euros!!!

After all, this is a real fraud!!!


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Old 02-28-2018, 10:43 PM   #6
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Thanks all of your opinion here and luckily didn’t buy it!

What do u think of this 1813 ek? It is a stepped core 1813 Prinzen ek

https://www.dnw.co.uk/auctions/catal...5&lot_id=13887
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:45 PM   #7
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To my below reply, it was sold yesterday by a reputable auction shop in UK DNW
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Old 03-01-2018, 04:28 AM   #8
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That one is a Stepped core fake.
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Old 03-01-2018, 04:32 AM   #9
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That one is a Stepped core fake.
Hi Miro, thanks! Does it mean that 1813ek Prinzen shouldn't have step cores at minimum? There are more professional ppl here and would love to hear more of your view. Thank you!
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Old 03-01-2018, 04:41 AM   #10
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Hi Miro, thanks! Does it mean that 1813ek Prinzen shouldn't have step cores at minimum? There are more professional ppl here and would love to hear more of your view. Thank you!
Yes, original Prinzens were not stepped, neither 1813ers nor later ones.
Another red flag is the paint on the core (originals were blackened) and known fake core design, which was used without any change also on reverses of 1914 and 1870 Prinzen fakes from the same stepped core family.
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Old 03-01-2018, 05:15 AM   #11
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Yes, original Prinzens were not stepped, neither 1813ers nor later ones.
Another red flag is the paint on the core (originals were blackened) and known fake core design, which was used without any change also on reverses of 1914 and 1870 Prinzen fakes from the same stepped core family.
Thanks again Miro for your explanation on this ek2. Apart from the stepped core and painted core issue, are there other features of the ek2 in the link below gives u a view that it is a fake?

I thought seriously it was a genuine cross. Would others have some thoughts on this 1813 ek2?
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:50 PM   #12
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The frame is a 1914 style frame. 1813 frames had much finer,closer together
beads in the frame arms.

Study the picture that Trevor posted in your other thread. Notice the difference in the
number of beads in the arms of the frames.

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Old 03-02-2018, 04:23 AM   #13
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Here are the pics of the cross that started this thread. Just for future reference.
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Here front and back of the other ugly fake of which a link was provided below.
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Old 03-06-2018, 11:08 AM   #15
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Can I have your Professional eyes on these 1813 ek2 please....anyone of them are authentic? Price varies but not sure.

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https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...b-a89300e1f2c3

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https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...c-a89300e1f1a8


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https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...1-a88f00cd238b
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