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Old 05-20-2019, 09:19 AM   #1
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What do you think about this ID ?
Thanks for your opinions
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:24 AM   #2
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Fake of course
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:43 AM   #3
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poland modern fake
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:42 AM   #4
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Delta International...1970's
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:44 PM   #5
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It’s so bad I would not call it a fake
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Old 05-21-2019, 02:20 AM   #6
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I remember standing in a German bookshop last year and seeing a book on the Gestapo which had this type of fake Dienstmarke on the cover.

I reckon that if they couldn't even get the cover right, what chance would there be for the contents.

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Old 05-21-2019, 07:24 AM   #7
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That's really bad if they started the book with that type of junk disc Not unless it was a book about all the junk discs in the market...

Anyhow, for alexander, see the following link to a pinned thread for real examples:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=881432
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:50 AM   #8
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A one looker reproduction. About as bad as it gets.

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Old 05-22-2019, 12:04 PM   #9
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Here’s the book I mentioned before. I google searched for it.

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Old 05-23-2019, 02:04 PM   #10
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Well, this looks like an authoritative reference.

Where do I sign up?
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:23 PM   #11
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Well, this looks like an authoritative reference.

Where do I sign up?

Gary, you can't necessarily judge the book by the cover. That trite phrase is apt. I would like to see what his sources are. After all, the authoritative work "The Order of the Death's Head" by Heinz Hoehne featured photographs from Ullsteinbild, the German photo service, of an SS dagger that happened to have been a photograph of one of the bogus daggers in James Atwood's 1960s book on daggers. So Atwood's garbage was perpetuated for posterity by Ullsteinbild.
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Old 05-24-2019, 01:39 AM   #12
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Gary, you can't necessarily judge the book by the cover. That trite phrase is apt. I would like to see what his sources are. After all, the authoritative work "The Order of the Death's Head" by Heinz Hoehne featured photographs from Ullsteinbild, the German photo service, of an SS dagger that happened to have been a photograph of one of the bogus daggers in James Atwood's 1960s book on daggers. So Atwood's garbage was perpetuated for posterity by Ullsteinbild.
Joe, you are right, I may have been a bit hasty.

However, there is a difference between a general book of history that includes incidental photographs, and a reference dedicated to a single subject.
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Old 05-24-2019, 11:18 AM   #13
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There is a fairly absorbing biographical account of an SS officer titled "The Black March", on the cover are depicted firemen:
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Old 05-24-2019, 04:48 PM   #14
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Hello !

I followed this interesting discussion and found the book in our library today.

My first thoughts were similar to what Joe_W wrote (and what OSS confirmed) :
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Gary, you can't necessarily judge the book by the cover.
I could only have a quick glance so far and read the introduction. The authors (historians, 1st scan) do not claim to having wrote >>an authoritative reference<<,
but mainly to have written an overview of the organizational background/development and the role/tasks of the Gestapo within the framework of the NS regime.
The main idea was to give an update (including more recent research), to somehow give a more balanced picture with respect to what was written in the
(roughly) 1950's to 80's. (Therefore, the underline of the title might also be slightly misleading ...)
In addition, it should be mentioned that C.H. Beck is an acknowledged publisher of thoroughly researched history books, not known for some sensational crap.

>> I would like to see what his sources are <<.
The list of sources is about 40 pages in the German version. If this is of interest, I can send you the scans, if you contact me
via PM. (there is also a shorter, selected list of sources in the English version, ~ half that length).

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Coming back to the topic that started the thread :
The book does not cover the topics of uniforms, Ausweise, or ID-disks at all ! (And as this this is a book written by German historians,
the German version has ZERO pictures at all ! Quite typical ... ).

My first idea was, that the fake ID disk could have landed on the cover, because it was chosen by the marketing department.
But it seems that reality is even more worse : As you can see in the scan below, the image was taken from an example of
the "Polizeigeschichtliche Sammlung" of the Fachhochschule für öffentliche Verwaltung in Thüringen (a kind of museum for the History of the Police).
So, that seems to be the "root of the evil" .

Perhaps interesting : There is an English version of that book, published by Oxford University Press in 2014.
Some things have changed (slightly) :
a) there are now 10 photos included .
b) The cover disk has changed as well (last scan)!
(perhaps, this time they found an original disk, if I compare with the link provided by Dave C. But I do not dare to judge on this "hot topic"! )

Best regards,

Archi
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Old 05-25-2019, 12:30 AM   #15
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Good post Archi, thanks.

And yes, this time they used a real one.
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