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Old 11-17-2019, 07:19 AM   #1
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Here is a newly acquired group to Gottfried Hirschfelder , alas I can find no record of him so far. Badge is pressed feinzinc which is unusual and probably an end of war product . Has seen some action too by the wear etc. As with all zinc insignia etc the top finish has been absorbed by the base metal.
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Old 11-17-2019, 11:15 AM   #2
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Very nice piece.
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Old 11-17-2019, 11:41 AM   #3
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Nice group.
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Old 11-17-2019, 04:23 PM   #4
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The Air Gunner Badge with this set up is faked, quite often seen for sale here and there, haven’t seen a fake in zink, hopefully yours is good.
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Old 11-17-2019, 05:12 PM   #5
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Yes you are right, this type of pin catch is used on a particular copy of a pilot badge seen often on eBay and dealer sites . I have never seen this type of set up on a fake air gunner . There is a fake air gunner badge that is seen often and is very similar to this badge , the give away clue ,if you look carefully , is the number of trailing wing feathers on the back wing , the fakes have 9 these ones have 10 . I can only imagine that this type of distinctive catch has been used on modern copies . I am 100% confident that this badge is original .
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Old 11-17-2019, 06:44 PM   #6
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Congrats, Ferg!
You seem to be absorbing all the desirable, modestly priced treasures on german ebay
I shyed away from this one because of the catch and the damage...
...although Weitze had two of them - same catch, zinc and broken of crown - for years.
One is still there, if someone else is interested...
Nice haul, again!
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Old 11-18-2019, 02:23 AM   #7
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Thank you Hagrid, yes this type of catch is used on many fakes these days. Close inspection will reveal that this catch is slightly different to the copy badges . All the copies have identical catches whereas this one has less of an arched top . Broken cross is a shame but part of its journey !
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Broken cross is a shame but part of its journey !
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The cross has been broken off intentionally as a recognition that the Kaiser had abdicated

It symbolizes that Germany was no longer a monarchy/ empire and that the crown no longer had ruling authority over the state/ nation/ armed forces. The original owner may have been a republican, socialist or communist ?

IMO it adds to the history and is something one sees on some original badges of that time,

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Old 11-18-2019, 06:00 AM   #9
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I agree with the comment about the top cross being removed. I noticed this many times on Bavarian flight badges. N. Coe
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