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Early Deumer L/11 marked, Schinkel form
Old 11-18-2019, 12:51 PM   #1
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Default Early Deumer L/11 marked, Schinkel form

Hi Guys: I need your opinion on this Iron Cross. Three pieces made. Magnetic core. Early Wilhelm Deumer, maker marked on its needle L711. Probably a low date type. Slightly curved. I can not find references (not even consulting books) of it. It has everything that can be seen in crosses of Deumer, but separately...
Weight: 13'96grs
Dimension: 43mm x 43mm.
I tend to think it's a super rare Floch...but if it is, we have a problem.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:54 PM   #2
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Sorry...no pictures....Again

...well I can't "security token was missing"....
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:13 PM   #3
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If it is L/11 marked it canít be a Schinkel

If the date is low on the core I think itís a latvian fake
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Old 11-18-2019, 02:28 PM   #4
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Agree with ben, i have never seen a schinkel from Deumer marked with L/11 on the pin. Surprise us Ricardo! Chances are very high it's a reproduction.
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Old 11-18-2019, 02:56 PM   #5
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Thank you guys. I donít know the problem but I can not post pictures.
Thatís the problem....I have never see a Deumer marked on the pin (and on its upper side). No sense but maker mark is very reliable (to me). Whait to see the pictures......cross is very dangerous if finally it is a fake.

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Old 11-18-2019, 11:03 PM   #6
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I agree with others and the original EKI Schinkelform have a particular setup behind.
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:24 AM   #7
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I agree with others and the original EKI Schinkelform have a particular setup behind.
That is why I expect to see a Latvian fake.
THE set-up is pretty similar to an original Deumer Schinkel
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:59 AM   #8
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...again
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:06 AM   #9
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Convincing looking but fake.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:15 AM   #10
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Mark Looks convincing, this pin set-up is new to me.
But itís still the classic Latvian fake.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:19 AM   #11
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I agree, not a good one.
The biggest giveaway is the uneven width of the frames.
Also the patina looks so unnatural.
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I agree, not a good one.
The biggest giveaway is the uneven width of the frames.
Also the patina looks so unnatural.
As usual, pictures are not the best (sorry for that). Even a fake, the cross is a beauty and absolutely convincing. I will take beter pics, patina looks pretty good too. Seems that we have a new-impresive copy over there.

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Old 11-19-2019, 11:31 AM   #13
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more pictures....
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:33 AM   #14
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more pictures....
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Old 11-19-2019, 12:33 PM   #15
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If it is L/11 marked it canít be a Schinkel

If the date is low on the core I think itís a latvian fake
As Ben wrote the date is low in the IC fake than the originals; the setup behind clean all dubts. ( Always no mm punched above pin)

I made a little comparison to explain better my though.

Sorry is not a professional one but "home made".
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