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Sardinienschild-for review
Old 11-09-2019, 06:28 PM   #1
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I would like to get your opinion about the originality of this Sardinienschild. Thank you in advance for your comments.
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Old 11-10-2019, 01:31 PM   #2
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Good shield in good condition IMO
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:04 PM   #3
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Good shield in good condition IMO
Thank you very much for your comment !!!
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sardinia shield...my original for comparison
Old 11-11-2019, 01:14 AM   #4
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Default sardinia shield...my original for comparison

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Hi Klaus...here is my original...great history item...from my researching the concensus is to ensure it has a long pin...good details, lettering clear, not soft looking.
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Old 11-11-2019, 02:45 PM   #5
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Hi Klaus...here is my original...great history item...from my researching the concensus is to ensure it has a long pin...good details, lettering clear, not soft looking.
Thank you very much for showing me your original piece and indicating the critical points to look at. Now, I can compare your piece with mine and see the differences.

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Old 11-12-2019, 03:46 AM   #6
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The Sardinien "shield" as shown by Klaus is an original shield.
All the original shields I've seen had the "short" pin with simple hook, exactly like the one as shown by Klaus.

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Old 11-12-2019, 12:22 PM   #7
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100% Klaus...going back to the notes I had on it (Cross and from Thomas Bendixen , the seller on WAF) I erred in saying it was just a long pin, but in fact it was the pin TYPE, short and longer version. Your item definitely hits all the originality points as Pascal points out...
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:05 PM   #8
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Thank you very much, Pascal and (Pink)Floyd for additional information.
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Old 11-19-2019, 12:29 PM   #9
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Hi Pascal

Please let me know your thoughts on this shield. Sorry for the bad pics

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Old 11-21-2019, 03:33 PM   #10
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Hi Pascal

Please let me know your thoughts on this shield. Sorry for the bad pics

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The thing is that the Sardinien shield (which is in fact a cap badge) is a very rare shield. It is that rare because it was not produced in a great numbers.
Only in this thread there are 3 different types. This is (for me) a bit difficult to believe for shield which was produced in such a small number.
It is my believe that the one I posted is the one most likely to be original. This type is known with the pin as I posted and also with the pin Klaus posted.
It is very well possible that there are other original types but as explained above it is difficult to understand why produce a shield in such a small number with different types.

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Old 11-21-2019, 04:02 PM   #11
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Hi Pascal

A division can be anything from 10 to 20.000 men. I would guess that some variations in needles are plausible as well as 1 or two dies.

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Old 11-22-2019, 10:28 AM   #12
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The Cholm shield was awarded to aprox. 5500 soldiers and yet two variations

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Old 11-24-2019, 04:08 AM   #13
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The Cholm shield was awarded to aprox. 5500 soldiers and yet two variations

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The Cholm shield was an officially awarded shield and around 5.500 were awarded. Each recipient was however supplied with several copies.
There is only 1 type known of the officially awarded shield. Other types of the Cholm shield do exist but these are privately purchased items which were sold only via official LDO stores.

The Sardien shield is not an award and was only locally produced. It is more than likely that only 1 batch of these shields was produced. There was never the possibility to purchase this shield. This explains the low number of these shields still in existence.

One can of course believe that on the small Island of Sardinia several metal firms, during the last days as allies to the Germans or maybe even as enemies to the Germans, were busy making different types of Sardinien shield in low numbers. I however think it much more plausible that there was only 1 type of Sardinien shield was produced with 2 different pins.

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Old 11-24-2019, 11:50 AM   #14
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Hi everyone

Enough assumptions and guesswork here, lets dig out some data... if possible

Pascal please share if you have provenance that can help date the type of shield you like as far back as possible. Until I see that, all of the types shown in this thread could be bad or good. Also do you know for sure that these badges were produced on Sardinien?

Looking through WAF I found a thread from 2003 where W.C. Stump quotes Peter Whammond describing the Sardinien Shield as being “Stamped sheet metal, silver washed badge”. One must assume then that the base metal wasn’t silver but most likely yellow.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=Otto+Spronk

The shield I posted here in this thread corresponds to that quote. I aquired it at the small military Antiqueshop in Berlin in Friedrichstrasse around that period. I remember showing it to Skip (Militaria Berlin) and he liked it. IMO the silvering, patina and wear was spot on for a 60 year old badge.

So we know now that at least three knowledgeable collectors, me included, trusted this type of badge.

But lets all try to dig deeper.

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Old 11-24-2019, 12:06 PM   #15
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Just noted that the badge I posted dosent have the vertical bar on the “G” in “CAGLIARI” as the badge from Otto Spronks book on german headgear from 1989 shown in the link I just posted.

So atleast two types of shields with provenance back to 2003 and 1989.

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