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Old 11-14-2017, 05:27 PM   #1
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Hi.

I just got this group of items that has belonged to Helmut Barke.
What is your opinions on the minesweeper (I belive it is a 1.1.7) badge and the marine frontspange? Is the golder colour on the minesweeper repainted?
I only have copies of the pictures of the soldier since the family wanted to keep the originals. I also have a picture of his dog tag (the family wanted to keep that as well).

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Old 11-14-2017, 08:51 PM   #7
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Very nice!!
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:26 PM   #8
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Hi.
I just got this group of items that has belonged to Helmut Barke.
What is your opinions on the minesweeper (I belive it is a 1.1.7) badge and the marine frontspange? Is the golder colour on the minesweeper repainted?
Very nice collection.

And yes indeed, a repainted zinc MC# 1.1.7. It looks like the same gold finish was also used on the home-made Marine-Frontspange.

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Old 11-15-2017, 02:09 AM   #9
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Nice group


The Minesweeper and the Marine frontspange are painted IMO




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Old 11-15-2017, 02:44 AM   #10
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Very nice collection.

And yes indeed, a repainted zinc MC# 1.1.7. It looks like the same gold finish was also used on the home-made Marine-Frontspange.

Best regards,
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Yes, it does look like he has used the same gold finish on the minesweeper and the frontspange.
Do you think the fontspange is a wartime made spange? I know this is almost impossible to say, but are there other spange like this that has turned up from other Prinz Eugen lots?

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Old 11-15-2017, 03:45 PM   #11
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That’s an excellent group, the clasp looks very nice. It’s made with good looking hardware!
Kind regards Chay
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Old 11-15-2017, 06:18 PM   #12
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I think the PE is an interesting ship from a collector's point of view. Since a joint US Navy and German crew sailed it to the States and then on to the atomic bomb test in the Pacific, there was plenty of material those German sailors kept post May 1945.

I think the cellon tally was in the possession of somebody when they were distributed to the German sailors just prior to the Americans arriving. Or, they were made at a factory there, but there is no proof either way.

Your tally is typical of those worn by the sailors. Since the tally was not offensive in any way, they wore them for the entire time they worked with the US crew. I also think the marinefrontspange was made aboard PE post May 1945. No swaz to bother anybody, they wanted to wear something and it was OK with the Americans.

Groups like this even show up in the States since it was traded to an American sailor or given to them as a gift. Friendships were made although in the beginning they were supposed to avoid any kind of friendly interaction with the Americans. Of course over time they became a single crew and probably made fun of the strange habits of each group.

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Old 11-15-2017, 08:17 PM   #13
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Here is a group photo I have in my collection of crewmen from the Prinz Eugen.
About eight Marinefrontspanges can be seen in wear here.
I have also added a detail shot.
The photo is dated 1944/45.
So, it is obvious that the MFS was produce and worn by PE crewmwn in the latter part of the war.

Cheers,Martin.
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Old 11-15-2017, 08:18 PM   #14
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Reverse shot of the above photo.

Cheers,Martin.
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:28 AM   #15
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What a great group.

Also nice to see so many Spangen in wear. I have never really believed in these before!

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