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Old 11-09-2017, 12:58 AM   #16
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I also was at the Kennedy shooting scene. I agree it is too small an area with so many people around that day.

This series is so outdated.
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100% confirmed ????
Old 11-09-2017, 06:34 AM   #17
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I sincerely doubt that Kelly ...who gains ???

What about the aborted attempt in Chicago weeks before at least three shooters fled before they could attempt a hit from the hotel they were holed up in. All covered in FBI files.

I am no conspiracy nut but you have to look deeper than Oswald !!!!
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Zapruder film Zoomed in plus SUPER SLOW MOTION
Old 11-09-2017, 07:55 AM   #18
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Default Zapruder film Zoomed in plus SUPER SLOW MOTION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqzJQE8LYrQ
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Old 11-09-2017, 10:57 AM   #19
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The thing that is ironic is just how benign the whole conspiracy industry was when it started.....Josiah Thompson who wrote the book "Six seconds in Dallas" , based his book on the testimony of governor John Connally.....JC was interviewed while recovering from his wounds and stated he and Kennedy were hit by separate shots....The first hitting only JFK, the second hitting only JC, the third just JFK....He was adamant that he heard the first shot before he was struck....

When Abraham Zapruder's film first came out, the investigators were unaware of a missed first shot....Again Thompson using JC's testimony as to when JFK and Connally were reacting to being hit....Reaction was not instantaneous, so it was assumed they were hit by two different shots....With the mechanical firing time of a carcano being 2.3 seconds, it would be physically impossible for them to be shot by two bullets from one gunman (using JC's timeline)....When it was later discovered the first shot went errant, and both were hit by one bullet, the time frame was lengthened (Connally denounced the SBT until his death).... It was than felt Oswald had sufficient time to get off three shots per the Zapruder film...Unfortunately this whole confusion lead to the theory that the government was lying and covering up the truth....The conspiratorial industry than grew legs and ran with it.....Bodes
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Old 11-09-2017, 11:25 AM   #20
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You said it all in one paragraph

THe new evidence is conclusive.

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Old 11-09-2017, 11:34 AM   #21
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Roger Stone is one crazy dude. I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

I agree there is unanswered questions as to a conspiracy. But are they enough to convince me of it no IMO.
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Oswald.......really ???
Old 11-09-2017, 07:32 PM   #22
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It is a convenient excuse for the lone nut brigade I cannot believe people buy this **** !!!!
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:31 AM   #23
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interestingly, there is also some debate about if the zapruder film has been doctored. (head shot altered etc)

here is one youtube video talking about it -

The Zapruder Film Mystery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_QIuu6hsAc

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Old 11-12-2017, 02:43 PM   #24
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I guess you can take any event and twist it into a conspiracy. That clip is total junk, so bad I couldn't finish it. Again, the new evidence clears up all the debate over the shooting and who the lone gunman was.
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For many years the flagship of the evidence used by many of the conspiracy theorists was that no one could have fired the three rounds in the amount of time given according to the police radio recording. Later the audio of that recording was "cleaned up" revealing that in the background there was mention made of "Parkland" referring to the hospital, something no one would have said during the actual shooting so looking further into the audio it was finally determined that the audio recording was in fact broadcast from a motorcycle/escort cop's handheld microphone that was keyed open after the shooting.
The motorcade was traveling at approximately 11mph so when the shots were fired and they accelerated, the officer was holding his microphone in his hand so when he twisted the throttle it keyed open the microphone. The sounds that were thought to be the shots on the recording was actually the Harley-Davidson motorcycle backfiring through it's carburetor after having "loaded up" by lugging along in 2nd gear at 11mph. Anyone who has ever ridden an old Harley will certainly understand this.
So the shooter actually had much more time than originally thought.

BTW, a recent poll showed that around 60% of Americans feel that Oswald was not the lone assassin, I blame this on the Oliver Stone movie "JFK" which, in my opinion, spread more BS than all of the Massey-Ferguson Manure Spreaders ever manufactured did.
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Denny, In 1978, the House Select Committee on Assasinations (HSCA), came up with so called proof of a grassy knoll shooter and subsequent fourth shot using the dicta-belt recording....It would later be deemed invalid....

As for Oliver Stone, his movie JFK threw every thing against the kitchen wall, hoping something would stick.....When the conspiracy industrial complex stoops to manhole cover assasins or secret service agent's accidental weapons discharging, it shows the level of laughable hypothesis they are willing to conjure up.....Bodes
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Old 11-12-2017, 09:00 PM   #27
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You're right the timing was out of whack early on and the Warren report did not explain it properly. Now we know that the shooting 3 shot timing was much longer.

Shot 1] was fired seconds after the car turned the corner and it hit the street light or traffic light and part of it ricochet into the cement pavement and hit a bystander near the overpass.

Shot 2] hit JFK & JC

Shot 3] hit JFK

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Old 11-12-2017, 10:31 PM   #28
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Quote:
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It is a convenient excuse for the lone nut brigade I cannot believe people buy this **** !!!!
Not sure if we connecting on all dots. IMO Oswald was the lone shooter, but a possibility he was involved in a conspiracy with others. Although it is a very small chance.
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:59 PM   #29
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interestingly, there is also some debate about if the zapruder film has been doctored. (head shot altered etc)

here is one youtube video talking about it -

The Zapruder Film Mystery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_QIuu6hsAc
Yeah, it's been opined that the film was altered to make it consistent with a shot from behind.....Any body who seriously studies the JFK assasinations knows there's adequate evidence of people looking back towards the depository....The young girl in the Zapruder film and also one of secret service agents.....Even Connally testified the shots came from behind and above.....Bodes

Btw, I would think doctoring film footage in the 1960's would be something rather difficult, if not impossible.....
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Old 11-14-2017, 10:32 PM   #30
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Not for me !
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