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Old 03-22-2012, 12:10 PM   #1
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A nice 2nd Bde Aviation patch recently appeared on E-Bay.
I thought I would share some research details I have obtained,
since I purchased an example a couple of years back.

The generic patch seems to have made in panel contruction with
[U]dull[U] black thread for wording, added letters / numerals seem to
have been done in a shined thread.

I believe this to be a Crew Chief patch, ala the addition of CE

Aircraft 67-19516 was a UH-1H, that served Jan-August 1969,
and then rotated out for major repairs / overhaul, thus the X'd out number

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Old 03-22-2012, 12:26 PM   #2
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Former pilot Ben Hess relates.

'HHC was a small unit. They were supposed to be manned for 18 pilots I believe but we never reached that. It was down to 9 pilots at times. They had 4 UH-1’s and 8 OH-6a. When pilot manning got low, usually to people crashing, they would start flying the one pilot OH-6a for command and control instead of the two pilot UH-1’s.'

Crew Chief Jim Drye posed a nice picture for posterity, although its a low
pixel, I can confirm Jim X'd a former ship and added CE and 585[

UH-1H 68-16585 Served with the unit Feb 1970 - April 1971, before
damage repairs / overhaul in country.

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Old 03-22-2012, 12:39 PM   #3
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Ben also added.

'Pilots always had two digits. The number assigned was random except for some numbers below 20 that were reserved for the commanding officer, executive officer, etc. Crew chiefs were three digits, that corresponded to the last three digits of the tail number of the aircraft they were assigned.

I left the 2nd Brigade in July ’70 and transferred to three corps. That was a supposed to be an eight month extension for an early out but I came home in Dec. ’70 due to Nixon’s drawback. '

Kevin Knehr, purchased a mint patch to bring home, may be completely custom
made, as 477 is in dull thread.

OH6A 67-16477 served with the unit Dec 68 - Feb 1971.

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Old 03-22-2012, 01:27 PM   #4
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John thanks for sharing the patches and information. Army Aviation from Vietnam is a great area to collect.
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Old 03-24-2012, 09:23 PM   #5
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Yes, thanks John, for sharing the patches and information.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:07 PM   #6
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Thank you Michael / Andy, you are welcome. I also add:

My patch was most probably worn by a Gunner who served with the 2nd Bde.
This Loach flew over 1000hrs with the unit, but became a combat loss in early
1970. Its scorched remains, lie somewhere in the jungles of Vietnam.
Below is the Goldbook entry giving the relevant details.
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Information on U.S. Army helicopter OH-6A tail number 67-16473
The Army purchased this helicopter 1168
Total flight hours at this point: 00001095
Date: 02/27/1970
Unit: 2 BDE 101 ABN
This was a Combat incident. This helicopter was LOSS TO INVENTORY
This was a Recon mission for Unarmed Recon
Unknown this helicopter was Unknown at UNK feet and UNK knots.
South Vietnam
UTM grid coordinates: YC797982
Count of hits was not possible because the helicopter burned or exploded.
Small Arms/Automatic Weapons; Gun launched non-explosive ballistic
projectiles less than 20 mm in size. (7.62MM)
Systems damaged were: PERSONNEL
Casualties = 01 INJ, 02 WIA . .
The helicopter Crashed. Aircraft Destroyed.
Both mission and flight capability were terminated.
Destroyed by friendly forces

196812 Flight hours 37 WAB5AA 2ND BDE 101 AB VIETNAM Delivered to unit

197002 Flight Hours 1095 WAB5AA 2ND BDE 101 AB VIETNAM Destroyed.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:18 PM   #7
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An entry from the ASMIC Avn catalog, circa 1984.
I am not overly familiar with these catalogs, but I presume the small line
drawings, mirror photo's / xeroxs of patches sent in by ASMIC members.
Note the 2 'x'd ship numbers and the word Ghost, I am asking my veteran
contacts, if they have any remembrance of this 'nickname'?

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Old 03-26-2012, 04:07 PM   #8
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Very nice and good info.
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Old 04-15-2012, 12:30 PM   #9
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Nice patch. They appear every now and then but aren't as common as many of the others. At one point all I collected was Army Aviation pocket patches.

Very good way to present your item and provide the background. Top notch!
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" I was with the Aviation Platoon of HHC, 2nd Bde, 101st Abn from approximately July 1971 to February 1972 when the Division stood down and was packing out of Vietnam. I was assigned as the Platoon Aviation Maintenance Officer but, luckily, because of the very capable participation of two NCOs I was able to fly quite a bit as OH-6 Scout Pilot and some as UH-1 Aircraft Commander and Maintenance Test Pilot and leave the hangar work to the very qualified NCOs. I did not remember that the Crew Chiefs had their aircraft tail numbers on their 2nd Brigade "Brandy" patches. You probably already know that these patches with tail numbers would have been only for the Crew Chiefs as the CEs were assigned to specific aircraft that they maintained and crewed as door gunners while the pilots were assigned to whatever aircraft came up in the rotation.
If by "noteable 'mission' stores" mentioned in your email you mean mission stories, in January, 1972 right at the end of my tour I was up over Phu Bai airport in an empty Huey (no crew, no weapons, no pilot survival equipment) with my replacement maintenance test pilot as co-pilot conducting a simple required flight test after a periodic inspection when a USAF F-4 Phantom on the Stormy mission was shot down 80 miles west of us in Laos. As it was near supper time most helicopters were already on the ground so we were the only aircraft immediately available to fly out and pick the downed pilot & navigator up.
As it turns out, enemy soldiers were walking in between the two downed AF pilots and chose to shoot at us as we hovered around trying to entice the pilots to come out of their hiding places so we could take them home. We spent almost 10 minutes on the ground in that interesting situation until we were able to board both pilots & return them to their home base with the Gunfighters at Da Nang. Actually we took them part of the way. Then our Huey was down to about 80 lbs of fuel so we landed at a small US/ARVN camp and were all carried the rest of the way to DaNang by the USAF CH-53 Jolly SAR helicopter that had been dispatched for the rescue but arrived too late to be of help in Laos.
A fun time for all which earned me the Silver Star and my newbie co-pilot the DFC.

Harry (Bud) Kirschbaum
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Old 11-16-2019, 07:34 AM   #11
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"I'm sending patches that are on my flight jacket. The unit patch was from April 1971 and the Scout patch was from August 1971 when I was assigned the mission. The tail numbers weren't on the patches when I arrived in the unit. Sincerely, Steve Murphy.
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Old 11-21-2019, 08:27 PM   #12
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Excellent information, and thanks for the follow on!
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Old 12-13-2019, 03:38 PM   #13
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Sorry can't share those story's on line, only in person, but here are pictures, the helmet I was wearing, with a bullet hole. I was hit 13 times.
Not sure about aircraft numbers, but my loach is still there at the crash site. Feb. 28 1970.

J.D. Leach brandy 35
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Old 12-13-2019, 07:24 PM   #14
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