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Old 03-19-2017, 08:17 PM   #1
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alright, ive read some discussion about black paper backing is usually a Pakistani fake? This has paper backing but its not jet black. Opinions?
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:19 PM   #2
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alright, ive read some discussion about black paper backing is usually a Pakistani fake? This has paper backing but its not jet black. Opinions?
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:20 PM   #3
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This is a fake, for sure
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:06 AM   #4
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This is a fake, for sure
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Construction is all wrong.

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Old 03-20-2017, 11:14 PM   #5
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+1.

Construction is all wrong.

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OK, fair enough. Help me out though. What are the construction give aways? I'm assuming the chunky body and tail that doesn't fully drop? The backing paper seems to not be a viable method to spot a fake since I've seen a few eagles with similar paper labled "good" in the above eagle thread. What should I learn to look for that is a tell tail sign of bad bullion eagles?

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Old 03-21-2017, 09:48 AM   #6
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You can find these breast eagles (same shape, details etc.) sold as repros. I can even tell you that these normally feature three chevrons on the body (you can still see remains of that, but why did someone remove them ? Because they are easily recognizable ?)

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Old 03-21-2017, 08:45 PM   #7
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Dante - it can be difficult to say that any particular feature is a telltale sign, as you can likely find period originals with some of those features. The entire piece must be taken as a whole.

If you peruse the many period originals on this forum (and others), you'll quickly be able to spot examples like these as conspicuous reproductions.

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OK, fair enough. Help me out though. What are the construction give aways? I'm assuming the chunky body and tail that doesn't fully drop? The backing paper seems to not be a viable method to spot a fake since I've seen a few eagles with similar paper labled "good" in the above eagle thread. What should I learn to look for that is a tell tail sign of bad bullion eagles?

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Old 03-21-2017, 09:28 PM   #8
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You can find these breast eagles (same shape, details etc.) sold as repros. I can even tell you that these normally feature three chevrons on the body (you can still see remains of that, but why did someone remove them ? Because they are easily recognizable ?)
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Old 03-22-2017, 02:42 PM   #9
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these normally feature three chevrons on the body (you can still see remains of that, but why did someone remove them ? Because they are easily recognizable ?)
Here is an eagle with three chevrons on the chest as pointed out previously. It is black paper backed though a slightly different pattern. Here we have a thin swastika and leg, versus the fat, wide-armed swastika and leg of the eagle that started the thread.

They go through a lot of work to make these appear as issued pieces with the ghosted stitching outline at the edge of the insignia.

I actually have a question though. I have a glider proficiency badge that I always considered original. It too has the same paper backing and former stitching line around the perimeter. You can see the former tailor's price written on the reverse as well. Are all insignia with a paper backing like this automatically deemed fakes? The tricot wool certainly appears correct to me as well.

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Old 03-22-2017, 02:50 PM   #10
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I ask because the glider proficiency example came out of a Vet lot a few months back, and nothing else in the grouping was a reproduction but yet it has what most collector's would refer to as a fake "Pakistan" produced paper on the reverse.

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Old 03-22-2017, 09:02 PM   #11
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post number 230 on the breast eagle thread has this eagle, described as a second pattern. I believe this eagle to be the same as mine. It is nearly identical in every fashion. This eagle was not shot down as a fake.
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:30 PM   #12
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Here's another one I just came across. It has the alternating direction tail feathers that the other two posted by Dante show. It also sports the three chevrons and is a very odd color, and the eagle's beak is strange shape as well. I don't think these birds are good.

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