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Auxiliary Cruiser Genuine or Fake
Old 03-18-2017, 06:49 AM   #1
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Hi,

I'm not a paid member on here and I'm very wary of paying for a membership to show pictures as my bank account has been hacked which I'm quite angry and frustrated.

Im a collector of anything Kriegsmarine related and came across this Auxillary Cruiser badge which I've attached a link. Can anybody advise me if this is genuine as I've purchased from the dealer before and the items have been fakes and I don't want to make same mistake.

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Neil

http://www.militaryantiques.co.uk/th...ge-item-78138/
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:55 AM   #2
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Hi Neil,

If the items you bought from the dealer before were all fake, the best way to avoid making the mistake again is, of course, to shop elsewhere.

At any rate, this a variant of a known fake which combines features of the Schwerin (eagle, wreath) with features of the Juncker (globe and hardware). I guess you could call it a "Schwunker".

Here are two more variants of the same basic type of fake.

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Old 03-18-2017, 01:31 PM   #3
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Agreed, a fake.
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:38 PM   #4
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The only other KM badge on that website is a fake Blockade Breaker set from the same maker as the repros offered by Morigi on "The Regalia Specialist".
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Old 03-18-2017, 03:28 PM   #5
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The GWL observer he has for sale also looks like a repro to me. If it were me, I would not buy from this dealer.
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Old 03-18-2017, 03:35 PM   #6
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The GWL observer he has for sale also looks like a repro to me. If it were me, I would not buy from this dealer.
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Many thanks for your advice/Genuine Dealers
Old 03-18-2017, 03:49 PM   #7
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Default Many thanks for your advice/Genuine Dealers

Thank you all for your advice and putting my mind at rest, I won't purchase from this dealer again. He is based in London and attends many shows around the UK including the War and Peace.

I've been trying to compile a list of genuine dealers I think have got a reputable reputation, what do you think so far, fellow collectors:

Militaria Berlin
Carsten Blades
The Rupture Duck
Hiscoll in Holland
Peter Emig Militaria
Thomas Huss
Tarn Militaria
Philips Militaria

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Old 03-18-2017, 04:51 PM   #8
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Dale, the GWL Observer is definitely a fake.

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The GWL observer he has for sale also looks like a repro to me. If it were me, I would not buy from this dealer.
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:15 PM   #9
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Thanks, George, I don't consider myself an expert in anything German militaria, but looking at the originals database I saw that GWL apparently only produced observers in NS/Tombak, and the fact that the one on the site is zinc, has horrible rivets/repairs, and a big old nasty-looking fingerprint impression on the reverse were all red flags for me.

Neil, I can't speak to all the ones on your list (though I would add Giel's Militaria and German War Booty), but even the best of dealers occasionally let a repro/fake slip through, so getting an ironclad return guarantee and posting the item here before or shortly after buying is a best practice. Also, the e-stand is one of the best places to buy with confidence and for some of the best prices, though even there an occasional repro can slip through the cracks. This is mainly due to items generally accepted as originals later being shown to be repros, something that no dealer or seller can reasonably foresee.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:15 PM   #10
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Neil,

I think you can pay here with Paypal, not sure though. If you are courageous enough to buy German militaria from dealers, then a hacked account here would be the least of your worries. At least I have not heard anything about lost personal info here, maybe though, and no guarantees from me. We mods do not make a penny from the forum so lets be clear of that, but uploading images we do not like since they are lost in time as references.

Up to you.

I personally do not like to comment about dealers, any of them. I have enough issues without irritating any of them, but I will say your best bets are right here on estand, Giel, Thomas Huss in Kiel, some more too.

However, you need to post here before buying and get opinions since the fakes are tricky, even some of the old fakes are pretty good.

If you become very comfortable about certain pieces, then you can pull the trigger on your own, but be careful.

Sorry about your bank account though, bad experience to have to go through.

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Old 03-21-2017, 03:51 AM   #11
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Hi John,

Thank you for your message on WAF, i shall look into paying by Paypal and im in the process of changing banks so hopefully its all sorted and i can move on from a horrible situation.

I have found quite a few dealers who are very helpful but some only after your money and do not reply to emails. Its a frustrating hobby which i was on the verge of giving up but my passion for the history and love of collecting after all these years have spurred me on and im ultra careful now.

I appreciate your advice, i wonder if there is an email address to contact someone to talk about payment on here. I guess i'll do some digging.

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Old 03-21-2017, 08:00 AM   #12
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OK, you can pay using PayPal, money order, check or cash if you wish. Let me know, the money in dollars. If you must use PayPal, it will cost you $37 not $35 due to fees as you cannot use the gift option.

PM me with your choice.

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