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Old 03-15-2017, 10:07 PM   #1
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Default Unknown political leader spoon? Need help identifying.

Hello All,

Would appreciate help or thoughts on identifying this spoon. Does anyone know whose silver service this might have belonged to? Came with a large assortment of Munich-apartment AH silverware, so I'm assuming that it belongs to another Third Reich luminary.

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Old 03-16-2017, 11:17 AM   #5
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Good guess, for sure, but I don't know. Unfortunately, I don't own any of the silverware reference books. Hoping that a Member does, and can shed some information.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:30 AM   #7
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With respect, why would this spoon have to be for some “luminary” of the Reich?

It could just as well have belonged to the engraved silver service of the butcher/baker/candle stick maker, down the street from Hitler’s apartment, given to him on his wedding day by a grateful father-in-law. This service, ending up in the local pawn shop to get money for milk/bread, post war.

Seriously, an engraved piece that might’ve been engraved at any time, with no provenance?
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:05 PM   #8
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I agree that "Robert Ley" is a very good guess, and I would imagine that Dr. Ley had a large, fine house in Munich -- but that's all I could assume from this piece! Jim Yannes' books on TR silverware include only one piece of tableware attributed to Ley -- a spoon -- and that piece includes the classical DAF cogwheel logo stamped to both sides of the handle and was made by the Wellner firm in silver-plate. Yannes states that this piece came from Ley's office in Munich.

As Rick C rightly states, a piece of solid silver such as the beautiful, classical spoon in this thread, with the initials "R" and "L" engraved in script onto the handle, could have come from anywhere at any time! Yes, this piece could have come from Dr. Ley's estate -- but without any provenance to even suggest that, how could we simply assume that it's correct?

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Br. James, and Rick. Agreed. The only provenance that I have is the veteran source that this came with, along with close to 30 pieces of AH silverware, as mentioned, as well as a DE standard, an ERMA, and a named pair of dress gloves belonging to a General. So I was making an assumption, yes, or perhaps better stated, hoping, that this piece of silverware was following the same level of quality, and was connected with a Third Reich personality, rather than just a butcher!

I just don't own any reference books on silverware styles to make a comparison.
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The spoon is marked 800 for its silver content but there appears to be wear spots that are brass . If this is so than it obvious not silver probably a fake .
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Sorry but I don't see any wear-spots or hints of brass...

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right above the crude 800 stamp has a green luster to it which plated pieces. It also shows gold coloring further up the handle . The heck of the spoon right below the bowl has a gold color wear spot. Plus the 800 mark is not crisp the way it should be in something that's 800 part silver, seeing silver is a soft metal . This is just my humble opinion....
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Plus how is it that the straight line in the ( R ) is clean and shiny and the same with the lower line of the ( L ) .
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