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Old 03-07-2012, 04:38 PM   #1
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Default Unorthodox and rare MP40 pouch

I got hold of this very rare and superb MP40 pouch a few days ago. I think this model is hard to come by. Hope you all enjoy it!







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Oh, yes. They are the real deal.
Old 03-10-2012, 05:33 AM   #2
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Exclamation Oh, yes. They are the real deal.

In regards to all the PM's:

Yes, I am certain this is a German WW2 manufactured original pouch!
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Old 03-10-2012, 06:05 AM   #3
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Yes, I am certain this is a German WW2 manufactured original pouch!
Hi, Can we know how please ? Because IMHO even front strap holes are not made as seen on WW2 german pouch.
I'm not saying you are wrong but would like to know how you can be sure it is WW2 periode and German ?
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:43 PM   #4
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It has several characteristics that are not found usually on German manufactured pouches but I cannot say where it is made.
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:00 PM   #5
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Post war Norwegen made 1950-1960 the belt loop back is 30 BMG Cloth Ammo Belt Kongsberg made Norway.
Got this ammo box whit this cloth belt from 1960.
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:23 PM   #6
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I get the feeling that the originality of my pouch is doubted!

Well spotted by all so far, but I still claim it to be a original WW2 MP40 magazine pouch.
Yes, there are several details that doesn't match with the standard pouch.
Yes, the belt loops and D-ring holder is actually made of .30 BMG cloth bands, but these are prewar US made.
Yes, Kongsberg copied these belts for postwar use (with a brass starter tab) and reused them later as carrying handles on their wooden ammo boxes.
But this pouch was not sewn in Norway.
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:36 PM   #7
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sorry but
Us clothing belts have not to black stripes.
norwegen made has that
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:48 PM   #8
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Sorry, but I don't think it is German WWII either.
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Old 03-11-2012, 06:23 AM   #9
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No reason to be sorry Willy! In fact I had the very same opinion until I saw the "whole picture". ...."Mehr als Schein!"

I think you will find that "the two black stripes" can be found on more than 1950's Norwegian made cloth belts for the M1919A4.

Take a closer look at the support strap around his neck!

Not easy to see, but it has the two black stripes, but more important, it has the civilian type of hardware. (Disregard the pouches, which are of course a standard edition)
This identify it as the support strap for the prototype/early ersatz variation of the 6-cell magazine pouch for the MP38. u. 40.
And that clearly shows that the (most probably) captured ammunition cloth bands for (most likely) the M1919A4 was indeed used by the Germans in their production of ammunition pouches!
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:19 AM   #10
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That is not the support strap for a 6-pocket pouch. Heck, I don't even agree it is the same type of strap fabric of what has been presented so far. I have strap variations dating back to 1941. And, MP40 pouches dating back to 1940.

I can't disregard the pouches in the photo. They appear to be early pouches; by the d-rings mounted on the corners, instead of on the side like most mid and late war MP pouches. Are you saying your pouch is an early one?

Your arguement seems to support the position that they are post-war Norwegian pouches.

I certainly don't agree that the Germans captured US cloth MG belts and then used the fabric to manufacture field gear. When might that have happened? 1944? 1945?

Nothing on your pouch is "standard". No markings, the odd fabric, the rivets on the bottom of each cell, etc. If you found them in Norway and you even acknowledge they used US strapping on postwar field gear, then I think you know the answer.
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:43 AM   #11
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:50 AM   #13
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Xavier, yours have the exact style rivets. Same fabric, etc. So, I don't know what else to say. Any markings? Are you saying the web straps are also made from captured US .30 ammo belts? Late issue or early?
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:54 AM   #14
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I have to agree with Bergflak, the presented pouch does indeed constructionwise bear a resemblence to the 6-cell MP-40 pouches with one closing strap, I think there is a good possibility it is WW2 dated, perhaps made by some foreign subcontractor:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ight=mag+pouch

http://www.mp40.nl/index.php?page=pouches

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Old 03-11-2012, 09:03 AM   #15
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I understand what has been presented, both on the forum and on other web sites, in the past. I like most of them.

I am now even more suspicious of those with the rivets and that style of webbing. Only my opinion.... Obviously, I could be wrong.

What is the source of that style of pouch? 6-cell or 3-cell?

Are those 6-pocket pouches with what is described as US MG belt fabric, early or late?
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