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Old 05-07-2019, 11:41 PM   #166
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Thought this was the wrong pay grade chin cord for this uniform until I saw this article.
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Old 05-07-2019, 11:44 PM   #167
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The article....
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Old 05-07-2019, 11:46 PM   #168
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Any thoughts? Perhaps the photo was taken before he upgraded his visor after a recent promotion.....? Or have I missed something very obvious...?
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Old 05-08-2019, 02:49 AM   #169
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Sorry about the sideways pics. They were correct when I uploaded them.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:18 PM   #170
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Thanks Dave!
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:22 PM   #171
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No feedback on the collar tabs versus the pay grade chin cord below?
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:00 AM   #172
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Any thoughts? Perhaps the photo was taken before he upgraded his visor after a recent promotion.....? Or have I missed something very obvious...?
Doesn't the article discuss how ranks were displayed on visor hats? Which issue of UNIFORMES is the article taken from, please?
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:12 AM   #173
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The mannequin with post 166 shows the rank of Oberzollsekretär.
According to regulations (photos occasionally do show other cords worn):
Oberzollsekretär did wear green pipings, along with a bright aluminum cords, which were customs-green interwoven (Hellaluminium, zollgrün durchwirkt).
The used cords however is half-half: so this is for the ranks Zollsekretär and Zollassistent. They did wear cords half aluminum, half customs-green silk.

So, maybe new collar-patches with old cords.

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Old 05-16-2019, 03:27 PM   #174
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Thank you Mr. Saris. That was my understanding also. The bright aluminum with green interwoven for this appropriate rank is very hard to find! This upper junior Officer cord seems to not exist. I’ve seen numerous all silver and 50/50 green and silver. I’ve even come across the lower ranks black chin strap, but not this silver with a “touch” of green. I will continue my hunt. Thank you for your insight. It is appreciated.

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Old 05-16-2019, 03:40 PM   #175
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Mr. Pennisi,

The article comes from the French publication “Armes Militaria Magazine.” And yes it does discuss hat and uniform rank, however it is written in French and my second language that I learned as a young man and struggle with to date is German. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find the time to translate the big and beautiful multi page article in this magazine. I’m saving that task for my retirement when the children are out of the house and the biggest part of my day is having morning coffee and posting on WAF.....

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Old 05-18-2019, 03:33 AM   #176
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Here is a nice photo I recently acquired of a Zollsekretär...
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:04 AM   #177
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Hi all,
really impressing pictures and collections.


In France, the Zollgrenzschutz also had female personnel, who helped to avid smuggle by females who were crossing the demarcation line between north and south France.





The Zollgrenzschutz existed after war as well, and at least in northern Germany (british zone) has worn the old uniforms with the same ranks as well. The the eagle, swastika and cuffband were removed, while a new triangle-sign (green for land and blue for water unit) was introduced for the hat.
The man on the bike is a Zollbetriebsassistent, the lowest rank.






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Old 05-23-2019, 12:57 AM   #178
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Marc,

Thank you for your contribution. Very interesting. I saw Helmut Weitze has a female Zoll field cap for sale. The design of the BeVo is reminiscent of the hunting society clubs of Germany of that time. Please few free to add more to this thread as your website is excellent.

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I saw Helmut Weitze has a female Zoll field cap for sale. The design of the BeVo is reminiscent of the hunting society clubs of Germany of that time
There is NO proof at all for a field-cap (with visor) with that insignia.
Just a field-cap with the regular cloth eagle or cuffband is worn and stated with the various photographs that are in my possession.

The BeVo has nothing to do with the hunting society clubs. They did not ever have the Acanthus in their designs (look at their
regulations between 1934 and later and one would know). This crap is around for a while, but as said: NO hunting at all!
Research is all what is about! But some people be persist in their believes, wrong or not!

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Old 05-25-2019, 07:47 PM   #180
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RELAX. No one wrote it had anything to do with hunting. I wrote it was reminiscent because of the way it looks, meaning the cap that Weitze has for sale REMINDS me of the hunting club style. That is my opinion. That should be clear to all English speakers/writers. Apparently not however.
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