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Old 09-15-2015, 02:48 PM   #16
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Does someone have pictures of this specific tank taken in the 60ies or 70ies ?
At the moment I can only show this one from 1983 (in a few days I an show some from the early 60s):
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:39 AM   #17
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Thanks for your input Patrick.
Nice pic.

Were the turret basket and seats still in it when you were inside the tank?
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Old 09-17-2015, 06:43 AM   #18
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Were the turret basket and seats still in it when you were inside the tank?
No seats or other nice stuff was left. Nearly everything was already gone, exept the big stuff. Cant remember being in the turret at all, as there were sharp ripped metalpieces everywhere, so I didnt crawl a lot around.

Entry was only possible as the drivers hatch-opening (normally welded closed) was forced open by someone some days before.

The reason to close all openings was that 2 belgium soldiers had planned a double suicide inside (one did it, they other one sits next to the body for hours, before they were found).
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Old 09-18-2015, 04:04 PM   #19
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the engine and gearbox are still inside but the turretbasket, ammo bins, Funk racks and other interior bits etc are long gone.
On the outside it was pretty much in the same state as it is now when it was put at this location. During the years afterwards it lost the front fenders, toolrack, spare trackrack, sheetmetal exhaust screens and the rear turret door.
I you look closely at the tracks ( number, position and wear of the chevrons )you can see that the two parts were actually one track that was sectioned in two parts to get the nowadays display appearance .
This panther along with 3 or 4 others lay in a nearby field and were dragged out by the Belgian Army with several Ward lafrance style wreckers in the postwar years. This one was saved and put as a relic at the Crossroads. During the recovery all the panthers had their turrets removed ( they were all bogged down in the field so to pull them out with the wreckers they had to lose some wheight).Last year I've noticed that the left turret side has a vertical crack. Another odd thing is that the first roadwheel is positioned incorrectly (mg gunners side). its an outer wheel that should of been on the second swingarm not on the first station. so this was probably done after the recovery.
The local gouvernment has always been divided with pro's and cons to get the tank indoors or to have it restored. it just gets a paint job once in a while.
It s a real shame to let it all deteriorate further...... the Panther is a very good restoration base because it wasn't ko'd back then. In 10 more years all the rubber rims will burst due to rust and wear and more parts will disappear.

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the Panther is a very good restoration base because it wasn't ko'd back then.
What does "ko´d" mean?
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What does "ko´d" mean?
Knocked out?
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Knocked out?
If so he is wrong - it was knocked out by a Bazooka - hole clearly visible in the middle of left hull side.
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:46 PM   #23
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If so he is wrong - it was knocked out by a Bazooka - hole clearly visible in the middle of left hull side.
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me wrong ?...never !
Old 09-19-2015, 04:26 PM   #24
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Hi Gran Sasso

indeed there is a small impact trace "style bazooka" or another hollow charge weapon.
Well if it were a bazooka hit , it didn't penetrate at all .....
In the old days wenn the Panther was still open (because one hatch lost its makeshift welded plate) I checked that spot imediately.
The inside showed no exithole at all, secondly there was no damage whatsoever caused by an internal explosion and thirdly the elfenbein and redprimer coatings were all present in pretty good condition....so there has not been an internal fire either.
This Panther was a victim of a mechanical breakdown or it ran out of fuel or it bogged down or it was simply abandoned. Anyhow the crew didn't make any attempt tot destroy it either.

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Old 09-20-2015, 03:55 AM   #25
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I think this is also mentionned on the panel standing in the opposite street. I can't remember saying it that the tank was knocked out by a bazooka.
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Old 09-21-2015, 03:30 AM   #26
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There are several good photo galleries onliine showing the inside of the Panther, here's one: http://users.skynet.be/tmm/Panther%2...ent/index.html
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There are several good photo galleries onliine showing the inside of the Panther, here's one: http://users.skynet.be/tmm/Panther%2...ent/index.html
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Old 09-21-2015, 03:22 PM   #28
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Cool link, alas it's all almost gone...
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Old 09-21-2015, 05:51 PM   #29
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What a shame, as piece of history just sitting there and rusting away I hope someone can rescue it and bring it back to what is was, and put it in a Tank Museum.

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Old 09-21-2015, 08:33 PM   #30
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is the story know of this one? i mean crew or how it was left there fuel problem ?
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