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Old 03-21-2018, 10:36 PM   #16
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What? Are we talking contemporary body armor
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:29 AM   #17
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Hoebigs - the owners of the Trun scrapyard in France..
Not the owner but only the buyer of the remaining scrap metal from the Miss Maurat's scrapyard at Trun.
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Old 03-23-2018, 11:39 AM   #18
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A law just passed in Germany, that forbids any private individuals to own armor.

Craziness.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:09 AM   #19
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Well....to those who said I was making up stories and BS...

The Law...which I said was in effect...was made OFFICIAL in September:


It is a new regulation with the War Weapon Control Law (Kriegswaffen Kontrollgesetz).

If you have a motor vehicle, that is armored and fell under the war weapon law, you have to register it and ask for permission to own it. No matter it is deactivated cut armor, or not in driving condition.

You are not allowed to drive it or export it. Only on your own property.

Storage is only allowed when you have a fence or a closed building around it.

You are not allowed to let children under 18 access to the vehicle.

Every Armored vehicle, that is closed around the driver, and on the top of the driver fell under the war weapon law (tanks).

If the police can simply shoot on the driver with normal ammunition, it is not under the law. Battle Tanks and Armored Self Propelled Howitzers are now completely forbidden, and you have to fill concrete into the engine compartment if you want to keep No driving allowed at all.

All this comes from the official German website.

So as I said...tanks are forbidden (unless you fill concrete into the engine compartment)...
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:44 PM   #20
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Here in France, our government doesn't understand that the revolution will come from the bottom, on a broad base. Their fear is very primitive and they think that forbidding the deactivated weapons is the solution.
How funny !
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Old 01-13-2019, 05:22 PM   #21
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Because if somebody will have a desire to use an armored vehicle for evil purpose, he will be very concerned about that law.

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Old 01-14-2019, 06:17 AM   #22
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The news of this new law is true how is this company allowed to sell ?

www.panzer-handel.de/
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Old 01-14-2019, 07:55 AM   #23
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Can someone add a link to the page on the German government web site please.

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Old 01-14-2019, 01:00 PM   #24
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So the Panzer museum is no longer allowed to let under 18's in, and have to fill in the engine compartments with concrete. I think not.

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Old 01-14-2019, 01:29 PM   #25
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So the Panzer museum is no longer allowed to let under 18's in, and have to fill in the engine compartments with concrete. I think not.

Ian
Of course they wont Ian, These larger organisations have the joint moxy to take em on legally and have the contacts to force them to revieal that their is actually next to no risk.

They only ban the "ordinary citizen" UK did exactly the same with this new eu reg on deactivation. They had been in communication with the EU for four years prior to anything happening in france. Whilst of course our law making states they had to consult with interested parties who could be affected they conveniently forgot.
As for the requirement for compensation, they "quote" market forces.
The whole rotten establishment need to go.
Always go for the law abiding instead of the bad guys, much easier for them. Morrally corrupt at all levels.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:38 PM   #26
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https://www.bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start..._1547491088119

Here is the full German law.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:41 PM   #27
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§4

Verbote

(1) Kindem und Jugendlichen ist der Umgang mit

unbrauchbar gemachten Kriegswaffen verboten.

(2) Der Umgang mit einer fahrfähigen unbrauchbar

gemachten Kriegswaffe der Nummer 24 der Kriegswaffenliste

oder mit einer fahrfähigen unbrauchbar gemachten

Panzerhaubitze der Nummer 31 der Kriegswaffenliste

ist verboten.

(3) Es ist verboten,

1. eine unbrauchbar gemachte Kriegswaffe der Nummern

29, 30, 37 oder 46 der Kriegswaffenliste für

Dritte erkennbar zu führen oder

2. mit einer fahrfähigen unbrauchbar gemachten

Kriegswaffe der Nummern 25 bis 28, 31 - ausgenommen

fahrfähige unbrauchbar gemachte Panzerhaubitzen

-und 33 der Kriegswaffenliste umzugehen.

Satz 1 Nummer 1 gilt nicht für die Verwendung bei Filmoder

Fernsehaufnahmen oder Theateraufführungen.

(4) Die zuständige Behörde kann im Einzelfall eine

Ausnahme von den Verboten der Absätze 1 bis 3

genehmigen, wenn besondere Gründe vor1iegen und

öffentliche Interessen nicht entgegenstehen.
That are the now forbidden items:
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IV. Kampffahrzeuge
24.Kampfpanzer
25.sonstige gepanzerte Kampffahrzeuge einschließlich der gepanzerten kampfunterstützenden Fahrzeuge
26.Spezialfahrzeuge aller Art, die ausschließlich für den Einsatz der Waffen der Nummern 1 bis 6 entwickelt sind
27.Fahrgestelle für die Waffen der Nummern 24 und 25
28.Türme für Kampfpanzer
V. Rohrwaffen

29.a)Maschinengewehre, ausgenommen solche mit Wasserkühlung,
b)Maschinenpistolen, ausgenommen solche, die als Modell vor dem 2. September 1945 bei einer militärischen Streitkraft eingeführt worden sind,
c)vollautomatische Gewehre, ausgenommen solche, die als Modell vor dem 2. September 1945 bei einer militärischen Streitkraft eingeführt worden sind,
d)halbautomatische Gewehre mit Ausnahme derjenigen, die als Modell vor dem 2. September 1945 bei einer militärischen Streitkraft eingeführt worden sind, und der Jagd- und Sportgewehre

30.Granatmaschinenwaffen, Granatgewehre, Granatpistolen
31.Kanonen, Haubitzen, Mörser jeder Art
32.Maschinenkanonen
33.gepanzerte Selbstfahrlafetten für die Waffen der Nummern 31 und 32
34.Rohre für die Waffen der Nummern 29, 31 und 32
35.Verschlüsse für die Waffen der Nummern 29, 31 und 32
36.Trommeln für Maschinenkanonen

VI.Leichte Panzerabwehrwaffen, Flammenwerfer, Minenleg- und Minenwurfsysteme

37.rückstoßarme, ungelenkte, tragbare Panzerabwehrwaffen
38.Flammenwerfer
39.Minenleg- und Minenwurfsysteme für Landminen

VII. Torpedos, Minen, Bomben, eigenständige Munition

40.Torpedos
41.Torpedos ohne Gefechtskopf (Sprengstoffteil)
42.Rumpftorpedos (Torpedos ohne Gefechtskopf - Sprengstoffteil - und ohne Zielsuchkopf)
43.Minen aller Art
44.Bomben aller Art einschließlich der Wasserbomben
45.Handflammpatronen
46.Handgranaten
47.Pioniersprengkörper, Hohl- und Haftladungen sowie sprengtechnische Minenräummittel
48.Sprengladungen für die Waffen der Nummer 43
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Oh my, they have banned everything worth collecting but I wonder how this company can still sell armoured vehicles.

www.panzer-handel.de/

Thanks for the link and the transcript.

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Old 01-14-2019, 02:08 PM   #29
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So the Panzer museum is no longer allowed to let under 18's in, and have to fill in the engine compartments with concrete. I think not.

Ian

These rules are for PRIVATE owners...not government.

All museums that are government owned are exempt.
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Old 01-14-2019, 02:37 PM   #30
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Oh my, they have banned everything worth collecting but I wonder how this company can still sell armoured vehicles.

www.panzer-handel.de/

Thanks for the link and the transcript.

Jon
Only Battle Tanks like Panther Tiger Leopard or Howitzers like M109 are completly forbidden if its possible to drive them or make them drivebel, with other armored vehicles, it is possible to own, but with restrictions and only with permission.
I'm not shure, if a Kanonenjagdpanzer maybe will be classified as a battletank - I would not put money on it in the moment...
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