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Old 03-27-2020, 06:27 PM   #1
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Hi all!

I'm not well versed in identifying helmets when there are no decals present. Is it even possible to know what branch a helmet belonged to absent decals?

I'm attaching photos showing this one in the middle of two Luftwaffe helmets I own, both with different finishes, but neither even close to the color of this one. There is no notable texture to the surface of this helmet either, so it doesn't appear to have been painted (camo) or scrubbed. The rim has the maker stamp but it's so lightly stamped it's very difficult to make out, but I believe it's "SE". The Lot number on the back of the rim is obvious and included in the photos.

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Old 03-27-2020, 08:29 PM   #2
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Looks like an SE M 40 Heer
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Old 03-27-2020, 08:56 PM   #3
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Thanks for the info! How can you tell itís Heer, and why no decal? Also, whatís the deal with the color and tone variances, is this camo?

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Looks like an SE M 40 Heer
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Old 03-27-2020, 11:23 PM   #4
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IMO looks to be Heer based on the normal combat duty wear. It looks like it had whitewash applied for winter fighting, but not sure. Really needs a hands on inspection. Never had a Natl colors decal. Adler was removed. Finish must have been scrubbed. One would think it would have the 1940 schiefergrau finish.
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Thanks for the info! How can you tell itís Heer, and why no decal? Also, whatís the deal with the color and tone variances, is this camo?
Without decals it is always a little bit guessing. It is not often decals are removed from M40ís. Maybe the decal is under the overpaint. But most likely it is Heer judging by the inside color of the paint.
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Without decals it is always a little bit guessing. It is not often decals are removed from M40ís. Maybe the decal is under the overpaint. But most likely it is Heer judging by the inside color of the paint.
Thanks for all the great feedback!

Would this be considered a camo helmet then?

Also, there is no texture to the paint, itís very smooth and no evidence whatsoever of a decal ever having been there (no faint outline, nothing). Many of the scrubbed helmets Iíve encountered have had some texture left to them from the previous overpaint, but not here. Is that normal?
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Old 03-28-2020, 11:34 AM   #7
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IMO calling that a camo would be a stretch, it has had whitewash on it and perhaps other wartime paint applied that has worn down to give it the appearance that it now has. It's just a great ex combat lid that was most likely a Heer one-enjoy it as such.
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